Raptor Lake reviews are out, and MSFS performance seems very good so far.

Top three results taken at Ultra settings, bottom results at Medium settings.

Source: PCWatch

Source: Techtesters

Source: eTeknix

Source: Comptoir-Hardware

The Raptor Lake parts easily beat other Alder Lake and Vermeer/Raphael parts in performance. While the 5800X3D maintains the lead in average frame rates, the 13700K seems to have better minimum frame rates which results into more smoothness and consistent performance, and the 13900K could be even better in that regard.

Thanks. Very welcome info…

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D will be king late January/ early February. That’s what I’m doing my upgrade with. 13900k won’t stand a chance. And also, less heat in my room!

I suppose as always it will depend very much on the scenario being tested. I'm about to upgrade and was waiting on these results, so firstly, thanks.

It leaves me with a real conundrum. The 13900k might offer more smoothness but I wonder by how much in different scenarios? The 5800x3D is clearly the best value but it's a dead platform. The Ryzen Zen 4 series has the ability to upgrade unlike the Intel series, but is expensive and critically, it's about 10% weaker across the board.

Also, which Ryzen Zen 4 series makes sense - the 7700x (significantly cheaper?) or the 7900x/7950x which are quite expensive for limited gain but have more L3 cache (important for smoothness but not clear how much over a 7700x)? 

I have been waiting ages to upgrade and don't feel like waiting until next year for the rumored 7800x3D (which might not even arrive early next year like everyone seems to be so sure about). Would AMD really think it is wise to so quickly release a new CPU that would make every other 7000 series CPU completely redundant for gaming?

My head hurts 🤯

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by steve310002

i9 13900K vs R9 7950X - RTX 4090 | 9 Games Test - YouTube

Note the CPU temps in games are about the same.

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by G-RFRY

Same socket LGA1700 but new chipset z790. Apparently it also runs on z690.

It runs very hot though, and thermal throttles quickly on an all-core full load even with a high-end liquid cooler. So some of the performance benefits vs the 7950x could be “lost” as the 13900 can’t reach its max 5.8 turbo boost in some situations. 

Or as hardware unboxed puts it: “The 12900K was already a bit ridiculous IMO, so I guess that makes the 13900K completely absurd” [in terms of power and thermals].

And: “To say I’m disappointed with the 13900K would be bit of an understatement”.

So basically to get the max potential out of this chip, custom watercooling seems necessary. 

I.e.:

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

Don't care about any 9 game test .. 5800x3d for me .. now fully convinced and when the time comes .. another platform upgrade with another X3D part.

13900K is looking fabulous--for me anyway.  Coming from [email protected] to [email protected] I'm looking at nearly a 50% increase in single core perf and that is huge.  Right now I'm so close to perfection already but have to dial back T-LOD to 100 in the PMDG 738 to land at EDDF yesterday.  And even then needed to turn off RT online traffic to sustain 30 after landing.  B87X HD or AS CRJ no problem in that scenario can leave traffic on and get away with TLOD of 130 or so in that busy terminal.  I can't see how 13900K won't solve this issue w/ headroom to spare. 

I should add THANKFULLY I see no need for a 4090 + Bigger Case + Bigger PSU all for what? 

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Noel

The 13700k looks like the best value for MSFS. It seems to have fantastic 1% lows significantly better than the 5800x3D. This has me wondering if the cost difference between a 13700k and 13900k (or even a 7950x) is really worth it. Now I'm leaning towards a 13700k. It looks to be a happy medium. Charts for the 13700k and MSFS are in the video below at 10:38 -

 

Way back when whenever you changed motherboards you had to reinstall Windows.  Is that still true?  I've always bought and held for ~6y but I'm getting a little tempted after only 2.6y since my last build. But...just recently reinstalled Win 10 and would like to not start over again if I can avoid it!

1 hour ago, steve310002 said:

I suppose as always it will depend very much on the scenario being tested. I'm about to upgrade and was waiting on these results, so firstly, thanks.

It leaves me with a real conundrum. The 13900k might offer more smoothness but I wonder by how much in different scenarios? The 5800x3D is clearly the best value but it's a dead platform. The Ryzen Zen 4 series has the ability to upgrade unlike the Intel series, but is expensive and critically, it's about 10% weaker across the board.

Also, which Ryzen Zen 4 series makes sense - the 7700x (significantly cheaper?) or the 7900x/7950x which are quite expensive for limited gain but have more L3 cache (important for smoothness but not clear how much over a 7700x)? 

I have been waiting ages to upgrade and don't feel like waiting until next year for the rumored 7800x3D (which might not even arrive early next year like everyone seems to be so sure about). Would AMD really think it is wise to so quickly release a new CPU that would make every other 7000 series CPU completely redundant for gaming?

My head hurts 🤯

That L3 cache is combined for the two CCXs in those chips. The effective L3 cache for one set of cores is half that amount which is why there is little if any gain over the  single CCX chips like the 7700x. The 7800x3D is likely to be the best chip out of that gen for MSFS.

1 minute ago, Donka said:

That L3 cache is combined for the two CCXs in those chips. The effective L3 cache for one set of cores is half that amount which is why there is little if any gain over the  single CCX chips like the 7700x. The 7800x3D is likely to be the best chip out of that gen for MSFS.

In the video I posted above, the 13700k significantly out performs the 5800x3D in the 1% lows even though the 5800x3D has far more L3 cache. Something else appears to be helping the 13700k make MSFS less stuttery. So perhaps the 7800x3D might not be worth waiting for.

Right now, the 13700k looks like the sweet spot for MSFS (unless you have the extra cash to burn for a 13900k but for only a few fps extra).

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

Way back when whenever you changed motherboards you had to reinstall Windows.  Is that still true?  I've always bought and held for ~6y but I'm getting a little tempted after only 2.6y since my last build. But...just recently reinstalled Win 10 and would like to not start over again if I can avoid it!

I went from a Z290 Formula MB i7 7700K to a Z390 APEX MB i9 10900K no problem.

1 minute ago, steve310002 said:

In the video I posted above, the 13700k significantly out performs the 5800x3D in the 1% lows even though the 5800x3D has far more L3 cache. Something else appears to be helping the 13700k make MSFS less stuttery. So perhaps the 7800x3D might not be worth waiting for.

Right now, the 13700k looks like the sweet spot for MSFS (unless you have the extra cash to burn for a 13900k but for only a few fps extra).

so from one bench you decided the 13700 is less stuttery then the 5800x3d? Ok

23 minutes ago, Noel said:

Way back when whenever you changed motherboards you had to reinstall Windows.  Is that still true?

When I upgraded to my current system I did not reinstall windows.