People who complain that newer generation GPU's don't show a significant performance boost do seem to have missed that at least NVIDIA seems to think that standard architecture has reached its peak and no further performance gain is possible and all further performance gain is done with AI cores and interpolated frames instead of with real computed ones.

 

So if framegeneration on the new GPU gives more frames, that's your gain. 

1 minute ago, Farlis said:

So if framegeneration on the new GPU gives more frames, that's your gain.

Thats been my take on it as well, but in the last few days I've begun to have questions.

With FG, in the cockpit of an A320 at JFK (for instance) I can get 50FPS or more even with traffic.

Half that without FG.

So you would think FG would be the obvious choice; yet when experimenting, I find FG can cause hitches when looking rapidly around the cockpit, while non FG is significantly smoother, which is food for thought for me, and something I'm going to look deeper into.

Is it FG? Memory? Just my system?

I've been wondering lately about limits to FG.

There are 5070 benchmarks released (cough ) absolutely bang on accurate.

1 hour ago, HiFlyer said:

He actually tested MSFS

 

Are you really going to put your faith in a YouTuber content creator???

I won't ate my time watching this video as real data will eventual come when people using this game with the 5090 can give all of us some real world comparisons without having to sit through another youTubers video!

20 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

can get 50FPS or more even with traffic.

Half that without FG.

Half of that is only 25 frames per second, that isn’t enough for current frame generation to work with properly, hence the artefacts you get. Frame generation requires a good stable frame rate. Without it, it’s gonna create issues for you. It depends if you can look past them. Some can, some can’t. 

A cpu upgrade and Asobo/LR etc optimising their games would be the best step, rather than just throwing more fake frames at it. frame generation really needs a stable frame rate ideally of 40FPS or higher. 60 would be ideal. This is what they should be aiming to get their software to, and THEN boosting it with frame generation. Boosting 30FPS to 60 isn’t ideal in the slightest. 
 

I can afford a 5090 but I won’t buy one, not just to use it for flight simming. A 4090 is enough when used with frame generation correctly. It’s just one of those generations you skip. I might consider a cpu upgrade. 

Edited January 21, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

2 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Half of that is only 25 frames per second, that isn’t enough for current frame generation to work with properly, hence the artefacts you get. 

Yah, I probably need to ease off of the ultimate settings.....

2 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Are you really going to put your faith in a YouTuber content creator???

People like GamerNexus, Hardware Unboxed etc. yeah they show the actual data, hell GamerNexus even published their testing paradigms and parameters so anyone can judge. So yeah I put my faith in them. However OP's posted video? no, no one knows who this youtuber and like @RNAVV19R said, the results are dubious at best because no reputable youtuber has released their results not to mention the embargo just barely lifted.

4 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

From which corral did they let you escape?

Off topic, but why do all the quotes you make appear in Spanish?

On topic, I wouldn't trust that video. I'm interested in a 5090 anyway. My good old 3080 Ti still does the job for the type of simming I do.

Edited January 21, 20251 yr by Rimshot

1 minute ago, Lucky38i said:

People like GamerNexus, Hardware Unboxed etc. yeah they show the actual data, hell GamerNexus even published their testing paradigms and parameters so anyone can judge. So yeah I put my faith in them. However OP's posted video? no, no one knows who this youtuber and like @RNAVV19R said, the results are dubious at best because no reputable youtuber has released their results not to mention the embargo just barely lifted.

The embargo for benchmarks actually has not lifted yet (that's on the 23rd.) Only the embargo for the unboxing has been lifted.

26 minutes ago, Farlis said:

People who complain that newer generation GPU's don't show a significant performance boost do seem to have missed that at least NVIDIA seems to think that standard architecture has reached its peak and no further performance gain is possible and all further performance gain is done with AI cores and interpolated frames instead of with real computed ones.

 

So if framegeneration on the new GPU gives more frames, that's your gain. 

The problem is that it now puts the onus less on devs to optimise games that properly take advantage of raster in favour of putting the Onus on your GPU, specifically DLSS. So now we're getting specification sheets that say 4k60fps** with the asterisk being using multi frame generation.

Quite frankly it's lazy and disenfranchises people with shallow pockets who can't afford to buy the latest and greatest or buy a card every gen. So now you have people who can't use multi frame generation or better yet frame generation at all, having to deal with poorly optimised games that get trumped up performance from AI.

2 minutes ago, RNAVV19R said:

The embargo for benchmarks actually has not lifted yet (that's on the 23rd.) Only the embargo for the unboxing has been lifted.

My bad, this makes OP's posted video all the more less believable.

1 minute ago, Lucky38i said:

the results are dubious at best because no reputable youtuber has released their results not to mention the embargo just barely lifted.

I actually did consider that, but it's not like eager beavers have never broken or fudged an embargo, and who knows, the account might be a burner for just this occasion. Ultimately the listed TDP of the card being tested seemed about right, and I judged it possible. *shrugs*

1 hour ago, RNAVV19R said:

AI will be used for more than just frame gen moving forward. Things like texture compression to save both disk space and VRAM, increasing the detail displayed in various materials, accelerating BVH building to allow for more detailed geometry in ray traced games and/or better RT performance, etc. These things will be supported on all RTX cards, but the architecture of the 50-series will allow it to perform better when using them.

DLSS image quality will get a boost as well with the use of the new Transformer model.

Indeed, I’ve seen the news 👍

1 hour ago, Flic1 said:

The bigger question is where is he seeing a 4090 for $1600...???

That's about what I paid for my 4090 around 1.5 years ago ($1650 USD) but yeah, I know they've gone up in price since then.

I remember seeing the price dip to around $1650 and I had to go for it.  Sure enough, shortly after that, the card went up in price again.  

Even the CPU is not running at same clock speed ???. Anyway he`s just cooked his chips with Nvidia if it true.