January 22, 20251 yr 28 minutes ago, Farlis said: You are missing the point: There is no such thing as base performance any longer. DLSS is the future and has to be included in any metric that looks at performance. DLSS cannot function without an ideal base performance. What a ridiculous statement. DLSS should not be included in any performance metric as it is deceptive marketing. DLSS and frame generation was great to attain FPS locks with high refresh rate monitors (such as attaining 120fps for a 120hz screen) but when you need DLSS to just attain 60fps which is the defacto refresh rate for budget level consumer monitors, you've lost the plot. Honestly I don't know why you'd even try and defend this practice, it ultimately makes for a worse for experience for us as consumers whilst GPU manufacturers save having to spend money on new fabrication processes for more powerful GPUs, cause why bother? they can just give it some AI cores and DLSS the lost performance.
January 22, 20251 yr NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark Performance Leaks - Significant Benchmark Gains You need to be running 4K to get your monies worth out of this beast. Edited January 22, 20251 yr by G-RFRY Raymond Fry.
January 22, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, G-RFRY said: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark Performance Leaks - Significant Benchmark Gains Looks about 25% faster than a 4090 then. It's a skip for me. Pointless if just used for flightsim and you all ready have a 4090.
January 22, 20251 yr I just want a smooth, stutter and artifact free 60 FPS on my 60 Hz 4k monitor. I don't care if card manufacturers are using AI, DLSS, FG, or raw compute power. If they can get the AI to provide the same visual quality as the raw compute, then I really don't care the method. What we see with current DLSS is lesser quality (think blurred glass screens) and FG (artifacting, jiddering, etc.). If that can be resolved in AI advances then I'm all in. It will get to a point where there is no trade off, whether with the 50 series or later. Ryan
January 22, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, rjack1282 said: It will get to a point where there is no trade off, whether with the 50 series or later. all NVidia RTX cards will be able to run DLSS 4.0 super resolution, 50 series and earlier. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ai-innovations/ https://www.engadget.com/computing/nvidia-announced-dlss-4-will-come-to-all-rtx-gpus-044835926.html Edited January 22, 20251 yr by turbomax AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
January 23, 20251 yr 13 hours ago, rjack1282 said: If that can be resolved in AI advances then I'm all in. It will get to a point where there is no trade off, both, DLSS 4.0 AND FSR 4 both seem to have solved this. the previews look very promising. AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
January 23, 20251 yr Author Meanwhile....... https://wccftech.com/nvidia-up-to-16-generated-frames-multi-frame-generation-tech-future-dlss-technology/ We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
January 23, 20251 yr Author Reviews arriving We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
January 23, 20251 yr I don't watch YouTube reviews, but I have read a couple (I must be old-fashioned!), and the consensus seems to be if you own a 4090, then don't bother. It isn't a giant leap. Not like 3090>4090.
January 23, 20251 yr So in reality A 25% increase in price for an average of 30% increase in raster performance whilst resulting in a 42% increase in power usage. To compare... The 4090 was a 7% increase in price for an average of 70% increase in raster performance with a 15% increase (give or take) in power usage in comparison to the 3090. This is why deceptive marketing simply hurts consumers.
January 23, 20251 yr Yup I think my 4090 will do just fine for now. Next upgrade will likely be the generation after the 5090. First will upgrade my CPU and RAM later this year 9800X3d, 4090, 64 GB DDR5 6000 RAM, 4 TB NVME (2x2), 4K Ultra + Framegen
January 23, 20251 yr Here are some msfs 2020 and also 2024 benchmarks. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-review/4 https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/first-tests-with-the-rtx-5090/700173/29 Edited January 23, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith
January 29, 20251 yr Author On 1/23/2025 at 4:10 PM, Ianrivaldosmith said: Here are some msfs 2020 and also 2024 benchmarks. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-review/4 https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/first-tests-with-the-rtx-5090/700173/29 Another look at the same issues. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
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