1 minute ago, Bigt said:

Another Abrams "MSFS 2024 is the best......." thread......buddy, don't you get tired of posting these? Like for real? 

Enthusiasm is a wonderful thing

Just like the numerous negative threads that get started around here, surely the positive can too? And the topic is about MSFS, in an MSFS forum 🙂 

Sure, some can get irked by comparisons and claims about something being "the best".. but on the other hand, if something really is the best (in most people's opinions and by all level-headed assessments) is it that bad for someone to say it, in a forum about that very something? 🙂 Of course one can then counter with their opinions as to why it's not the best too.

And posting here about what others think about MSFS, especially if those others are experienced simmers from all over the community, unbiased folks, IRL pilots, etc, what really is wrong with that? Such opinions should be welcome, something outside the avsim echo chamber. Personally, I look to opinions of IRL pilots from a broad group who're both experienced IRL pilots and experienced simmers.. and when their opinions all/mostly tend to agree with each other, I take that very seriously. As would be expected I suppose, some here seem to not like it when experts' opinions are posted and those opinions either go against their own, or it doesn't speak glowingly of their pet add-on, sim, sim version, etc 🤷‍♂️
 

2 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Just like the numerous negative threads that get started around here, surely the positive can too? And the topic is about MSFS, in an MSFS forum 🙂 

Sure, some can get irked by comparisons and claims about something being "the best".. but on the other hand, if something really is the best (in most people's opinions and by all level-headed assessments) is it that bad for someone to say it, in a forum about that very something? 🙂 Of course one can then counter with their opinions as to why it's not the best too.

And posting here about what others think about MSFS, especially if those others are experienced simmers from all over the community, unbiased folks, IRL pilots, etc, what really is wrong with that? Such opinions should be welcome, something outside the avsim echo chamber. Personally, I look to opinions of IRL pilots from a broad group who're both experienced IRL pilots and experienced simmers.. and when their opinions all/mostly tend to agree with each other, I take that very seriously. As would be expected I suppose, some here seem to not like it when experts' opinions are posted and those opinions either go against their own, or it doesn't speak glowingly of their pet add-on, sim, sim version, etc 🤷‍♂️
 

I think most of us are here, in this forum, because we already prefer and believe MSFS 2020/2024 to be the best....I, personally, just don't see the need for constant threads about what most of us likely already believe....not to mention half of them end up as pissing contests and get locked. 

5 minutes ago, Bigt said:

I think most of us are here, in this forum, because we already prefer and believe MSFS 2020/2024 to be the best....I, personally, just don't see the need for constant threads about what most of us likely already believe....not to mention half of them end up as pissing contests and get locked. 

Ok fair, and I guess you feel the same about the constant negative threads? In any case, the original post was of value to me since I didn't know about this Flight Sim Association discussion on MSFS 2024.
 

I'm just curious where these constant negative threads are?  Outside 1 or 2 people I think most of us have stopped the 2020 v 2024 comparisons and gone on with BAU since the release.

I haven't seen anyone start a thread to complain about 2024?  On the contrary we know we are going to get one of these "2024 is the best" threads and who it is coming from which is often what brings about the negativity and infighting.  These threads tend to bring about the bickering more than anything. 

Maybe I am overlooking the constant negative threads? 

Edit: I should say there was one person definitely posting threads to show 2024 in a negative light however to be fair as I said above, they are usually a response to counter something the OP has said and I find those threads equally annoying and the truth is usually somewhere in between... 

Had the OP started this thread with "good discussion from the Flight Simulation Association on the improvements in MSFS 2024" as the title vs using it as another reason to call MSFS24 "The Best" then it's just far more accommodating to conversation and dialog.  I don't think many if any actually disagree with what he is saying, it is the constant 2024 is the best that promotes debate and discourse...   

Edited March 4, 20251 yr by psolk

30 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Just like the numerous negative threads that get started around here, surely the positive can too? And the topic is about MSFS, in an MSFS forum 🙂 

Sure, some can get irked by comparisons and claims about something being "the best".. but on the other hand, if something really is the best (in most people's opinions and by all level-headed assessments) is it that bad for someone to say it, in a forum about that very something? 🙂 Of course one can then counter with their opinions as to why it's not the best too.

And posting here about what others think about MSFS, especially if those others are experienced simmers from all over the community, unbiased folks, IRL pilots, etc, what really is wrong with that? Such opinions should be welcome, something outside the avsim echo chamber. Personally, I look to opinions of IRL pilots from a broad group who're both experienced IRL pilots and experienced simmers.. and when their opinions all/mostly tend to agree with each other, I take that very seriously. As would be expected I suppose, some here seem to not like it when experts' opinions are posted and those opinions either go against their own, or it doesn't speak glowingly of their pet add-on, sim, sim version, etc 🤷‍♂️
 

I agree!  It's a terrible precedence if we can't say positive things about MSFS 2024, being this is the MSFS forum.  And furthermore, it's also a terrible precedence if we can't bring up videos from the Flight Simulation Association.

We have to self censor ourselves so that we never say anything positive about MSFS 2024, and we have to self censor ourselves so that we never post another video from the Flight Simulation Association.

That's crazy, lol.

19 minutes ago, psolk said:

Maybe I am overlooking the constant negative threads? 

Edit: I should say there was one person definitely posting threads to show 2024 in a negative light however to be fair as I said above, they are usually a response to counter something the OP has said and I find those threads equally annoying and the truth is usually somewhere in between... 

Does the person you are referring to, start with the letter "f"?

If that is the person you are referring to, there are other negative threads posted about MSFS 2024 by other people.  For example, this one, which garnered a lot of attention:

And for the record, IMO, negative threads about MSFS 2024 are just fine, as long as they are warranted.

Edited March 4, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

I agree!  It's a terrible precedence if we can't say positive things about MSFS 2024, being this is the MSFS forum.  And furthermore, it's also a terrible precedence if we can't bring up videos from the Flight Simulation Association.

We have to self censor ourselves so that we never say anything positive about MSFS 2024, and we have to self censor ourselves so that we never post another video from the Flight Simulation Association.

That's crazy, lol.

That's not what people are actually saying.   

Just now, abrams_tank said:

I can guess at person you are referring to and his/her name starts with the letter "f".

But no, there are other negative threads about MSFS 2024. Like this one, which garnered a lot of attention:

And for the record, IMO, negative threads about MSFS 2024 are just fine, as long as they are warranted.

You had to go back to December to find that!!!  That's 3 months ago and a moth after the release...

Just now, psolk said:

You had to go back to December to find that!!!  That's 3 months ago and a moth after the release...

This is an MSFS forum after all.  I would expect more positive threads about the product that we use, rather than negative threads?

10 minutes ago, psolk said:

I'm just curious where these constant negative threads are?  Outside 1 or 2 people I think most of us have stopped the 2020 v 2024 comparisons and gone on with BAU since the release.

Well, I don't have the time to go searching back through all the posts on this forum given a gazillion threads get posted here every day, but surely it should be obvious to all by now that there has been a constant stream of negativity about 2024 whether as posts, or starting of threads. And if you read my post above, I wasn't just speaking of 2024 or 2020, but about MSFS in general.

But that said, some who're still exclusively/mostly on 2020 don't seem to like it when 2024's advantages over 2020 are discussed 🙂, and others who're on 2020 and have never used 2024 seem to have a strange need to dump on 2024. Outside of the bugs, 2024 is a superset of 2020.. and 2020 was and still is a great sim. By the same token, some who've moved on to 2024 don't need to disparage 2020 and that definitely is uncalled for and strange too, but that's different from speaking of actual/noticeable differences.. and highlighting positive differences/advantages doesn't mean 2020 sucks 🤷‍♂️
 

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

This is an MSFS forum after all.  I would expect more positive threads about the product that we use, rather than negative threads?

But we were just told that there are constant negative threads.  I simply asked where?  Outside of one individual even you just showed the last one was in December.  

The negativity really has toned down in my opinion.   Outside of one or two people still posting the "it's the best ever" threads and one person coming in to counter those threads most of the discussion here is back to business as normal which is quite nice.  

And with that I don't need to beat the horse anymore.   2024 absolutely has lots of benefits for low and slow and bush flyers.   (which will now trigger some individuals who think I just said 2024 is "only" for low and slow LOL)  

 

Edited March 4, 20251 yr by psolk

15 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Well, I don't have the time to go searching back through all the posts on this forum given a gazillion threads get posted here every day, but surely it should be obvious to all by now that there has been a constant stream of negativity about 2024 whether as posts, or starting of threads. And if you read my post above, I wasn't just speaking of 2024 or 2020, but about MSFS in general.

But that said, some who're still exclusively/mostly on 2020 don't seem to like it when 2024's advantages over 2020 are discussed 🙂, and others who're on 2020 and have never used 2024 seem to have a strange need to dump on 2024. Outside of the bugs, 2024 is a superset of 2020.. and 2020 was and still is a great sim. By the same token, some who've moved on to 2024 don't need to disparage 2020 and that definitely is uncalled for and strange too, but that's different from speaking of actual/noticeable differences.. and highlighting positive differences/advantages doesn't mean 2020 sucks 🤷‍♂️
 

If there were a constant flow then they should be readily available.  It's why I questioned the statement because it is repeated pretty frequently that there is this "constant stream of negativity."  The fact you would have to go searching and the last example Abrams pulled up was from December just go to show that people starting threads to point out flaws in 24 has died down tremendously.  (Fortunately)

 

Edited March 4, 20251 yr by psolk

Just now, psolk said:

If there were a constant flow then they should be readily available.  The fact you would have to go searching and the last example Abrams pulled up was from December just go to show that people starting threads to point out flaws in 24 has died down tremendously.  Most of "this" forum is back to people looking for help, pointing out tips and just talking about the sims again... 

This is getting silly lol.. I was talking about not just actual starting of threads (sorry didn't clarify in my original post) but threads *and* posts re: 🙂 And do tell, what are all these constant "MSFS 2024 is best" threads that you and some others are talking about? Apart from the ground physics one and this one by Abrams, what are the other recent ones that's supposedly part of a "constant" flow?

And secondly, even if the starting of negative threads have died down, does that mean the starting of positive threads is not allowed or bad? As the sim improves in stability and fixes bugs that would be expected. Or is it the "MSFS is best" thread titles that's bothering some?
 

13 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

This is getting silly lol

Agreed...  I clearly have a bee up my bonnet for another reason this morning.  It's usually tied to my pain levels so I really don't want to beat this horse anymore.  I'm actually "working" on trying to recognize it more LOL...  

 For me "personally" though yes, it is as simple as how things are said.  Like I mentioned, had the thread started with "good discussion from the Flight Simulation Association on the improvements in MSFS 2024" my personal reaction would have been totally different. 

It's often not what someone says it's how they say it but reacting the way I did is my issue not the OP's...   I don't want to speak for others but yes, it "appears" some others feel the same. 

 

 

Edited March 4, 20251 yr by psolk