20 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

Yes, I read that Jorg Neumann, the head developer, wants to know why historical weather would be important, so folks are trying to explain it to him.

And this guy is the head person over there?  Wow.

Dave

I know.  And some people are reading this thread (but not commenting) who may wonder why historical wx is important.  Here is why it is important to me: 

Let's say I have worked all day, and it's now evening when I get home.  I decide that I liked today's weather, and want to simulate a flight from my home airport.  I don't want "live" weather because live weather is 10:00 pm and it's dark with lower visibility and temperature.  I want to simulate a flight from 1:00 pm that day, when there was 30 miles of visibility and nice warm temps.

'nuff said.

I wasn't even talking about Mr. Neumann (which is bad enough, being who he is), but about supposed MSFS users (new ones? from xbox? I don't know...) who don't understand the problem/do not even use it/think about using it.

The thing is Asobo / Microsoft doesn’t need to write the code to make historical weather available. They just need to open up the SDK. It’s third party developers who have the tricky job.

What is preventing them from doing that given aircraft designers are able to use the SDK? I don’t understand why they’re so secretive about the weather.

Just checking to see how my thread is doing and yep back to Concorde/historical weather talk. Well, it was an interesting discussion for a bit at least. 

6 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Just checking to see how my thread is doing and yep back to Concorde/historical weather talk. Well, it was an interesting discussion for a bit at least. 

I think it’s time for some good coder to develop a script that every time someone is typing a word “Concorde”, it will be automatically sent to the specific forum ;-) 

41 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

I think it’s time for some good coder to develop a script that every time someone is typing a word “Concorde”, it will be automatically sent to the specific forum 😉

What forum would you suggest for the forthcoming FSL Concorde for P3D? 🤨

3 hours ago, Mace said:

I want to simulate a flight from 1:00 pm that day, when there was 30 miles of visibility and nice warm temps.

Then you can manually set the weather to be 30 miles of visibility and nice warm temps. Done. Takes about 20 seconds. I've been simming for my entire life and I (and most other people) never understood this obsession for historical weather. It seems to be some old "I did so in FS9 so I must continue to do so forever" kind of thing. There are better ways to achieve the weather you like these days. And we all know that if MSFS implements this, you'll just find something else to complain about. Complaining in about historical weather in a thread that was supposed to be about the lack of P3D releases is kind of silly.

13 minutes ago, Multisim said:

Then you can manually set the weather to be 30 miles of visibility and nice warm temps. Done. Takes about 20 seconds.

Will the weather change per the stored data, or will it be static?

P.S., I fly MSFS, so this information will not flow off this duck's back.  It will be useful information.

P.P.S. inquiring of someone who apparently knows the best way of doing something, in this thread, is not silly.  It's called a forum.

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Yes, I read that Jorg Neumann, the head developer, wants to know why historical weather would be important, so folks are trying to explain it to him.

And this guy is the head person over there?  Wow.

So, a software company is asking its community for more information about a certain feature request and wants to understand why it's important for them. Probably to learn more so they can possibly re-evaluate their roadmap and priorities. Asking shows that they care.  And here I was, thinking this was a good thing.

You know, being the head developer is not always the same thing as being an expert in every single area, or an expert in flight dynamics, or an expert in weather and how it affects aviation, and so on. Maybe the head developer is more focused on the inner workings of DirectX, rendering optimizations, compatibility issues in gpu drivers, user interfaces, the backend infrastructure, or simply planning and coordinating the other developers. A head developer (nor me) may not understand why some grumpy guys can't just set the weather to what it was at 13PM yesterday rather than having an overly complex system so that they can instead press a button that's called "give me the weather at 13PM yesterday".

It kind of says it all that a thread that was about the lack of development from LM has transformed into yet another childish attack against MSFS, even pointing out individuals at Asobo for not knowing what they're doing. This is really low, even for you guys. And the moderators here are happily playing along. Pointing out factual errors and other misconceptions will get you a note that you're about to get banned. This is a very good example why most people, including the 3rd party developers, have left P3D.

 

19 hours ago, Doug47 said:

99% of videos I see if it support the statement. It does seem ‘toy plane’ like. 

So you, the serious flight sim guys who are all about procedures and system realism rather than visuals, base your opinion that MSFS is a toy for kids on the fact that it looks toy plane like on Youtube. Alright then.

Oh god...

2 hours ago, Multisim said:

So, a software company is asking its community for more information about a certain feature request and wants to understand why it's important for them. Probably to learn more so they can possibly re-evaluate their roadmap and priorities. Asking shows that they care.  And here I was, thinking this was a good thing.

You know, being the head developer is not always the same thing as being an expert in every single area, or an expert in flight dynamics, or an expert in weather and how it affects aviation, and so on. Maybe the head developer is more focused on the inner workings of DirectX, rendering optimizations, compatibility issues in gpu drivers, user interfaces, the backend infrastructure, or simply planning and coordinating the other developers. A head developer (nor me) may not understand why some grumpy guys can't just set the weather to what it was at 13PM yesterday rather than having an overly complex system so that they can instead press a button that's called "give me the weather at 13PM yesterday".

It kind of says it all that a thread that was about the lack of development from LM has transformed into yet another childish attack against MSFS, even pointing out individuals at Asobo for not knowing what they're doing. This is really low, even for you guys. And the moderators here are happily playing along. Pointing out factual errors and other misconceptions will get you a note that you're about to get banned. This is a very good example why most people, including the 3rd party developers, have left P3D.

 

To be honest, this is exactly what is happening in the MSFS forum about P3D (and X-plane I might add), especially when it comes to the new payware aircraft addons. Childish remarks as well, comments saying how their developers have no idea what they are doing (e.g PMDG), why are they still making it for a "dead" simulator.... could go on and on. Criticism that is not warranted IMO.

Disappointing to see this much hostility in the FS community.

3 hours ago, Multisim said:

So you, the serious flight sim guys who are all about procedures and system realism rather than visuals, base your opinion that MSFS is a toy for kids on the fact that it looks toy plane like on Youtube. Alright then.

Exactly. 

1 hour ago, pommy80 said:

Disappointing to see this much hostility in the FS community.

Sadly it's a reflection of our society. We've evolved to crave stimulation to the point that we artificially create conflict where there should be none. It's now all about war, conflict, battle, winning, defeating. This has created all the division and hate we see everywhere including in flight simulation forums. I still hope that one day we realize that there's more enjoyment in making a good ILS landing than in insulting each other. 

4 hours ago, Multisim said:

It kind of says it all that a thread that was about the lack of development from LM has transformed into yet another childish attack against MSFS, even pointing out individuals at Asobo for not knowing what they're doing. This is really low, even for you guys. And the moderators here are happily playing along. Pointing out factual errors and other misconceptions will get you a note that you're about to get banned. This is a very good example why most people, including the 3rd party developers, have left P3D.

Well, that was over the top and unwarranted.  I didn't attack MSFS or insult anybody.

I was simply very surprised that the head developer/manager over there at ASOBO doesn't seem to understand how important historical weather, which also updates in real time based on location, date, and time, is for a flight simulator.

I was under the impression, based on videos and statements by a lot of folks at ASOBO, that a lot of the crew there are flightsim enthusiasts themselves and therefore understand what our desires are.

Dave