Again, read your EULA.... you know, that thing you agreed to when you installed P3D?

You can be assured that L-M is in communication with the people who have the thing required: a service contract.

Jorgen

2 hours ago, jorgensandersen said:

Again, read your EULA.... you know, that thing you agreed to when you installed P3D?

You can be assured that L-M is in communication with the people who have the thing required: a service contract.

Jorgen

Yep, correct. They basically hurting retail market based upon their policies. This market gets frustrated as we have spens a lot on addons and it is getting abandoned. Beceause no future and lacking info. So what they are saying = we are not interested. Than market reponds..

3 hours ago, jorgensandersen said:

Again, read your EULA.... you know, that thing you agreed to when you installed P3D?

You can be assured that L-M is in communication with the people who have the thing required: a service contract.

Jorgen

Yeah man, we all know about the EULA and why LM behaves like they do. That doesn't make them immune to criticism or pointing out how the market is responding to their policies.  

1 hour ago, Lazer_cz said:

Yep, correct. They basically hurting retail market based upon their policies. This market gets frustrated as we have spens a lot on addons and it is getting abandoned. Beceause no future and lacking info. So what they are saying = we are not interested. Than market reponds..

But isn't P3D's customers supposed to be commercial customers and military customers?  From my understanding of the agreement between LM and Microsoft, LM isn't even supposed to be targeting the home consumer market, or as you say, the "retail market," with P3D.

If LM is communicating their plans for P3D with their commercial and military customers, even if those communications are private communications, I would think they are fulfilling their obligation to their customers.

10 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

But isn't P3D's customers supposed to be commercial customers and military customers?  From my understanding of the agreement between LM and Microsoft, LM isn't even supposed to be targeting the home consumer market, or as you say, the "retail market," with P3D.

If LM is communicating their plans for P3D with their commercial and military customers, even if those communications are private communications, I would think they are fulfilling their obligation to their customers.

Exactly - you are right! At the end it is our fault that we put so much money and believe in P3D. It was known from begining but one can see frustration in retail market.

I might put it in another way: we (form point of view of LM) develop stable platform for flight simulation. We opened gates also for retail market, we even let those developers do lot of addons for our platform... we at least could work together with some beta testers and get feedback from retail market and use it for our software. And when the strong competitor comes -> sorry guys - policy and military market! I find  such answer purpusful. How do you feel if we put it that way? 

Sure we have choices. I just feel disappointed for money I paid for addons to P3D and now it seems abandoned for retail market. But yes - lets move on.

 

1 hour ago, Chapstick said:

Yeah man, we all know about the EULA and why LM behaves like they do. That doesn't make them immune to criticism or pointing out how the market is responding to their policies.  

I think it does, sort of. As far as I know, their agreement with Microsoft limits their customer base, which in turn dictates their support policies.

I also think the reports of P3D's demise (sim and add-on market) are exaggerated...

1 hour ago, d.tsakiris said:

I think it does, sort of. As far as I know, their agreement with Microsoft limits their customer base, which in turn dictates their support policies.

I also think the reports of P3D's demise (sim and add-on market) are exaggerated...

I agree with half your statement...  The EULA in no way makes them immune to criticism and they do communicate when they feel like it so I don't see where anything in the EULA or their MS agreement precludes them from communication or more-over makes them immune to criticism.  They also provide support to the consumer market so I'm not sure how that weighs in.

I agree with the second part but do fear that knowing the consumer market is shifting LM may pull the next version back to commercial usage only.  Even some of the add-on developers for P3D have already done just that and dropped "consumer" offerings.  Furthermore I am fairly certain there are a number of add-ons we as consumers were never privy to in P3d... 

All we can do without communication from LM is speculate though. 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by psolk

2 hours ago, psolk said:

All we can do without communication from LM is speculate though. 

I agree!

But I fail to see any merit in such speculation.

Some are disappointed because:

1. LM doesn't talk as much as other vendors
2. They spent so much money on P3D add-ons and they speculate P3D may go away (see #1)
3. Most developers have "abandoned" P3D
4. Developers have not moved fast enough to create the same products in MSFS as they have in P3D, and when they finally do, because these products are not free (after all we purchased them for P3D)

Did I missed one? 

We voluntarily bought P3D and the add-ons. We enjoyed and are enjoying P3D and the add-ons. Have we gotten our money's worth? I think so. 

 

2 hours ago, David Vega said:

We enjoyed and are enjoying P3D and the add-ons

And I will be until the terminus of my sojourn on this planet.  

51 minutes ago, Patco Lch said:

And I will be until the terminus of my sojourn on this planet.  

No one put a moratorium on us using what we've got 🙂 ! 

Still enjoying my P3D install immensely alongside other platforms I enjoy as well!  What the future holds in terms of development and support only LM knows but I used FS9 right up until P3D 4.5 to give you an idea of how long it took to pry it out of my hands!  LOL  

Everything you currently have installed in v5.3HF2 will continue to work until either you expire or the world does. I have plenty of 3rd party airports plus I’m quite happy to fly into and out of default airports.

However, the biggest danger I see is the survival of Hi-Fi, producers of ASP3D.

If their servers go offline that means no injected weather. That would be serious for me and many of you I suspect. That could force up to reconsider our position.

Even if LM announce a new version unless it is a big improvement over v5 that may not elicit enough sales to help Hi-Fi. For me the survival of Hi-Fi is crucial to the future of P3D.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

However, the biggest danger I see is the survival of Hi-Fi, producers of ASP3D.

If their servers go offline that means no injected weather. That would be serious for me and many of you I suspect. That could force up to reconsider our position.

Even if LM announce a new version unless it is a big improvement over v5 that may not elicit enough sales to help Hi-Fi. For me the survival of Hi-Fi is crucial to the future of P3D.

that is a really good point, and would absolutely kill p3d for me. I guess we can only hope that Microsoft open up their platform to allow 3rd party weather devs a market share (quasi support p3d) or accept that the end of ASP3D is inevitable on diminishing return v costs.  

Developers always move to the newest product or sim fresh pockets to empty. But just like other sims when the new sim has several versions of the same addon or airport they again will look for new money, and move back to tempt new users.

MSFS has a development cycle when finished they will leave it in the marketplace, along with several hundred other games.

P3D has not been developed for the marketplace but an inhouse product, a company that has bigger pockets than MS. We are using there product not ours but you don`t have to.

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by G-RFRY

9 minutes ago, kand said:

that is a really good point, and would absolutely kill p3d for me. I guess we can only hope that Microsoft open up their platform to allow 3rd party weather devs a market share (quasi support p3d) or accept that the end of ASP3D is inevitable on diminishing return v costs.  

Damian over at Hi-Fi has said back in 2020 that they have looked at a version for MSFS but the SDK just doesn’t allow it to be possible. Nothing appears to have changed since then. And Asobo will not cooperate in that regard.

They do support X-Plane as well as P3D so that might help them survive.