The 5700XT that I paid 400€ for in March of 2020 went for 600€ to 700€ on ebay in February 2021.

(Sold it to a friend for the purchase price though.)

looking at anything between 960 - 1050s just way too high , the price for a brand new 1050Ti is 20k INR + GST , if I look at the used one's on sites like Olx here in india , it's around 15k for the same model.

 

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

hing is, $3000 for a GPU is "cheap" when a couple of years ago the linux render farms were paying $10,000 a pop for half the number of cuda cores.

$3000 to gain 10 FPS is really a wasted investment, considering we had some one complaining abut $15 for a decent addon.

11 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

$3000 to gain 10 FPS

Its _not_ about the FPS.

Its about the quality of those frames.

You simply cannot do this in realtime

Except with "next gen" GPUs.

Linux render farms were using volumes of them to render films like Transformers and other big hit CGI movies.

RTX and RDNA2 cards bring those graphics to games in the home.

I'm going to have to hang on to my 2070 for a while. Prices are just too extortionate.  But in about two hours when the delivery man arrives I'll be upgrading my MB and cpu. And if it goes as well as it usually does it'll mean I probably won't even be able to get the thing to start for weeks on end let alone fly X-Plane! Hail Mary full o'grace. Hail Mary full o'grace..........

On 9/16/2021 at 7:36 AM, mSparks said:

or better - forget the dock and plug it straight into your VR headset.

Seems to run great! 🙂

https://twitter.com/yunayuna64/status/1441288908659048453

More infos:

https://uploadvr.com/valve-steam-deck-processor/

https://uploadvr.com/steam-deck-valve-index-steamvr/

 

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by RXP

WEll just got my friends Ryzen 5 1600x 16GB DDR4 MSI B350 Gaming Plus ,lets see what magic it can do with XP , though i do not have the 8 pin CPU connector so i pulled 12v from the HDD cable hahahahahahahahahahha , need a quality PSU , had a CX600 which got spoilt twice , now on a local psu which is not quality 

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

Its _not_ about the FPS.

Its about the quality of those frames.

You simply cannot do this in realtime

Except with "next gen" GPUs.

Linux render farms were using volumes of them to render films like Transformers and other big hit CGI movies.

RTX and RDNA2 cards bring those graphics to games in the home.

BTW i have RIDE 4 but for PC , it's zexyyyyyyyyyyyyy

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

Its _not_ about the FPS.

Its about the quality of those frames.

You simply cannot do this in realtime

Except with "next gen" GPUs.

Linux render farms were using volumes of them to render films like Transformers and other big hit CGI movies.

RTX and RDNA2 cards bring those graphics to games in the home.

These examples arent really that big a deal.  Yes they look impressive and seem to be bringing a ton of detail.  But they are also very controlled and contained in terms of the area that needs to be rendered.  You have some highly detailed models on either side of the road, but from this low perspective that's all you need.  You also know the bike path ahead of time, set by the racecourse of the level, so the geometry database can be organized in a very efficient way to load the objects they need at just the right time. 

If it were a game where the bike could suddenly take off and fly wherever it wants to over the entire globe, its would be an entirely different problem.  Its unfair and misleading to point to these as a bar you expect to see out of a flight sim.

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by VFXSimmer

10 hours ago, Bjoern said:

That price is insane, even for a custom 3090.

And "get on a list and wait to get consumer good x" is a principle I considered extinct since around 1990...

Hi,

Matter of opinion about price.

Hope that means you're not on the list in front of me waiting on a card.

11 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Find it hard enough spending $600 on a card even when I have the money,  and until people stop buying them the prices will stay high, ridiculous, crazy, stupid, insane, mad. Did i leave any words out,,, Abortive.

Hi,

I hear ya, when I first started I was flying a desk via keyboard and mouse. Didn't have the cash to spend on flightsim, but for me and my wife times have changed for the better! Many other individuals are in the same boat we're in so I wouldn't expect to  see the prices coming down any time soon as consumers will continue to spend cash on these items. 

reinstalled WIndows on the Ryzen and XP loaded very fast , fps looks very good as of now.  Way way better than my fx 4300 😁 might just keep the Ryzen ahahahahahaha

Edited September 24, 20214 yr by Humpty

2 hours ago, VFXSimmer said:

These examples arent really that big a deal.  Yes they look impressive and seem to be bringing a ton of detail.  But they are also very controlled and contained in terms of the area that needs to be rendered. 

not so much area, but lighting.

current/last gen games managed their stunning looks mostly by baking in the lighting to a fixed time of day (fine for a 15 minute run around a track obviously an absolute no go for flight sim)

With next gen that is no longer necessary.

 

2 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Matter of opinion about price.

Not really, its stupidly expensive whether you have the money or not. Just sent my son $2500 AU to get a new machine in Germany, and same to my son in Ireland, lucky for son in Germany there was one on discount came with a 3060. im happy for Him, so see i have the money just wont waste it on such things, a bit like houses, its not what they are worth its what people are willing to spend, and fear on missing out makes people do stupid things.

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

not so much area, but lighting.

current/last gen games managed their stunning looks mostly by baking in the lighting to a fixed time of day (fine for a 15 minute run around a track obviously an absolute no go for flight sim)

With next gen that is no longer necessary.

 

True, but drawing and shading polygons is only one part of the problem.  Considerable time can be required just to figure out WHAT to draw on a given frame.  With flight sims that can actually be the larger of the two challenges to tackle.  My point is that with racing sims, and even many first person shooters, the game designer has a big role in containing the data set and making it very efficient figuring out what assets to draw by the fact that they can know the general path a player will take and/or limit the size of the play area in overall scope or by segmenting it into smaller regions.

When your dataset is the entire planet and the player has the ability to move anywhere they want (potentially at a high rate of speed), the graphic pipeline's ability to cull through the world database of objects, textures, etc can be a big part of the bottleneck.

My point is just that its unfair to compare flight sim graphics performance to AAA game titles without acknowledging that piece of the puzzle.