3 hours ago, mSparks said:

you also hear them talking through their procedures on the radio

unfortunately you didn't address my questions, I didn't find any youtube showing AutoATC in action with default aircraft.

53 minutes ago, turbomax said:

in action with default aircraft

not sure what you mean by that? 

GA?

xplane itself is limited to 64 AI aircraft, that is never going to fill the skies, plus you'll take a big perf hit for that.

AutoATC does the closest 120 with no perf hit as long as you have a processor with more than 2 cores.

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

not sure what you mean by that? 

very simple, I mean what I wrote before:

" I would like to also choose from the default x-plane aircraft as in x-plane's own built-in AI traffic selection. like the Baron, Citation and Kingair. "

no need for any fancy flight plans, just some basic takeoff and landing activity of some of the default aircraft that come with x-plane which the user can select as AI traffic, at the local airport, towered and non towered.

 

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by turbomax

6 minutes ago, turbomax said:

very simple, I mean what I wrote before:

" I would like to also choose from the default x-plane aircraft as in x-planes own built-in AI traffic. like the baron, Citation and Kingair. "

 

Still not clear what you mean or what you think is simple?

choose what? the colour of its copilots eyes?

 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

choose what? the colour of its copilots eyes?

that' would be the icing on the cake.

I would already be happy if x-plane could provide simple worldwide AI traffic at any airport, populated with 10-20 from the default aircraft, which I can select just like now from the Aircraft/AI Aircraft menu, without having to install any additional low poly 3rd party aircraft collections. no flight plans required, just some basic AI traffic controlled by ATC so I don't feel like at a ghost city at at 99% of all x-plane airports. and must work in VR. just like it has always been available for free in MSFS. like here at KORS and 40.000 more, non towered airports.

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by turbomax

21 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

I don't think you read my post. Atc does not work at non towered airports. Yet.

No, I did not and I assumed that KFHR was towered without looking up any details.

But you are right. No ATC calls on untowered fields.

 

8 hours ago, turbomax said:

I don't want to have to use a cell phone, all I want is to initially submit a VFR/IFR flightplan, then switch to VR and not have to use the keyboard or a mike again. I don't need a fancy AI traffic tool, no need for Flightaware or real world schedules, just a few aircraft taxiing, taking off and landing so it doesn't feel like a lifeless ghost town.

does your tool and the demo version provide all this, at all xplane airports, towered and non-towered?

No mobile phone required, just put in the AutoATC plugin and that's it. Don't expect perfect operations though. I do not know how old AutoATC's frequency and ground layout database is, but I sure know that it's not up to date.

27 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

No ATC calls on untowered fields.

not required in the real world. yet there is still traffic at over 200.00 non-towered airports in the real world. if freeware tools for MSFS can do this, so should x-plane.

Can I use the default x-plane aircraft with AutoATC, those that are also used with x.planes default AI traffic? I would like to use the KingAir, Baron and Citation X

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

I would already be happy if x-plane could provide simple worldwide AI traffic at any airport, populated with 10-20 from the default aircraft,

that is exactly what default xplane does now and has done for a decade or two

except its more like 100 miles.

However with only 64 aircraft over ~8000 square miles you are unlikely to ever see them, let alone interact with them on the same ATC frequency. 

And if you go any closer than that, without ATC actually controlling traffic (generally none of the others do) they spend the entire time breaking separation rules

and

We have that you know:

 

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by mSparks

59 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

just put in the AutoATC plugin and that's it.

I don't think so. the manual says I need to download some additional AI aircraft models via complicated downloads and instructions. plus 50 pages of AutoATC manual just to have some AI traffic is just too much overhead for me. unfortunately.

14 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I don't think so. the manual says I need to download some additional AI aircraft models via complicated downloads and instructions. plus 50 pages of AutoATC manual just to have some AI traffic is just too much overhead for me. unfortunately.

Forgot to mention, if you have an ai plane causing issues, you simply open Xplane map select offending plane. Turns yellow, and set its altitude to some reasonable level, than it becomes airborne. Problem solved.

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by mjrhealth

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

I don't think so. the manual says I need to download some additional AI aircraft models via complicated downloads and instructions.

Well, because it selects the closest airframe it has available, if you stick with what XP ships with you are stuck with airports full of nothing but 737s and A320s (XP12) or 737s and 747s like we had 5 years ago

just looks.... weird.

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

plus 50 pages of AutoATC manual just to have some AI traffic is just too much overhead for me. unfortunately.

Not to mention the reams of groundschool training in the application explaining how to actually use a VHF.....

one button, a knob and a switch... very simple, how complicated could it possibly get....

/me cries into his caramel latte

Edited June 3, 20242 yr by mSparks

3 hours ago, turbomax said:

if freeware tools for MSFS can do this, so should x-plane.

Correction: so should freeware tools for x-plane.

 

1 hour ago, blingthinger said:

Correction: so should freeware tools for x-plane.

another correction: MSFS has AI traffic at all 40.000 airports by default, towered or non.towered airports doesn't matter., additional  AI ATC freeware tools do exist but are not required, and it works in VR, which is the only mode I use my simulators. seems I am limited to the bigger towered airports only then in x-plane. pity. because I still prefer x-plane's less vibrant, softer and more natural colors.

32 minutes ago, turbomax said:

another correction

That's not a correction. 

35 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I still prefer x-plane's less vibrant

Yes, this is indeed a pity for those of us in these XP forums who couldn't care less about simzilla and who don't share your bizarre love-hate relationship with LR.

22 hours ago, turbomax said:

not required in the real world. yet there is still traffic at over 200.00 non-towered airports in the real world. if freeware tools for MSFS can do this, so should x-plane.

Can I use the default x-plane aircraft with AutoATC, those that are also used with x.planes default AI traffic? I would like to use the KingAir, Baron and Citation X

I figure because the AI does not support them, Laminar does not see a point in implementing ATC support for untowered fields just yet. But maybe filign enough bugs about it may help to push things along.

Just checked, the minimmum aircraft mapping in AutoATC is for some default models used for static displays. There's not much point in using the default models anyway as playing their fmod sounds is not supported. Any AI plugin uses generic sounds for an engine type.

 

21 hours ago, turbomax said:

I don't think so. the manual says I need to download some additional AI aircraft models via complicated downloads and instructions. plus 50 pages of AutoATC manual just to have some AI traffic is just too much overhead for me. unfortunately.

I strongly recommend getting the X-CSL packages because my next recommmendation will be LiveTraffic, which also uses them.

Edited June 4, 20242 yr by Bjoern