2 hours ago, Pilot53 said:

Maybe its not about "winning" but wanting to know which option will provide the most realistic 737 simulation.  Its being compared to a payware product  because it justnso happens to be the only 737 simulation that can play in the same league as pmdg.  I couldnt give a rats behind who the developer is I just want realism. And for something I may use for 1000 hours I couldnt care less if its $50 or free.  If its not immersive enough for me I dont care how free it is im not going to waste my limited spare time with it.

Funny you should mention that. When a certain other flight sim came out, and people in X-Plane were comparing my TBM to the other sims TBM, the people “over there” screamed “you can’t compare the X-Plane payware TBM to our default TBM.  The X-Plane one is payware!”.

It's unfortunate that some people are having issues with specific bugs with the ZIBO 737 product, which is "FREE," while for other PAYING products also full of bugs, it seems to be an accepted practice.

It is concerning that this individual consultant for PMDG is showing constant issues with other developers, despite volunteering his time, expertise, and involvement in testing. It would be best to refrain from criticizing other developers and focus more on the PMDG project, which has been struggling for quite some time now and is also full of bugs.

Something is not right here, and is very immature. 

I wouldn't let him rankle you. He's on the PMDG team so I take anything he says with a pinch of salt. A couple of weeks ago he was in hot water when he said that the Fenix was s...t. To him, everything is s..t compared to the PMDG.😃 For what it's worth, the plane I miss most is the Zibo which at least has an EFB!

Edited July 24, 20232 yr by jarmstro

44 minutes ago, LRBS said:

It's unfortunate that some people are having issues with specific bugs with the ZIBO 737 product, which is "FREE," while for other PAYING products also full of bugs, it seems to be an accepted practice.

It is concerning that this individual consultant for PMDG is showing constant issues with other developers, despite volunteering his time, expertise, and involvement in testing. It would be best to refrain from criticizing other developers and focus more on the PMDG project, which has been struggling for quite some time now and is also full of bugs.

Something is not right here, and is very immature. 

I have watched almost every video Emmanuel has ever made over the past year. You must be watching a different presenter. What “constant criticisms”?

He flies various aircraft in MSFS and (now) X-Plane and gives his take on the performance and accuracy of the products based on his experience as a r/w airline pilot. He points out the good and not-so-good, which is exactly what a honest tester/evaluator should do.

It is certainly not a case of “PMDG can do no wrong, and every other product is garbage”, which seems to be what you are implying.

I have heard him praise many features of the WT AAU2 787-10 and some of the things he has found that don’t work quit right are things which WT themselves have admitted “need more work”.

He even had some good things to say about the ATR.

 In the recent Zibo “full flight” he found many things to praise, and also a few issues. Some features that worked better than PMDG and others not as well.

He is not always 100 percent positive about PMDG either. I have heard him critique glitches in both PMDG LNAV and VNAV and mention features which are not yet fully implemented.

As I said in a post last week, Emmanuel does not work for PMDG. He is a completely independent tester/advisor, not a developer. It is not his responsibility to “fix bugs” in PMDG. As a PMDG tester, I would assume he reports things that don’t work correctly through whatever private channels they use, but he is in no position to correct any bugs he may find.

 

10 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I have watched almost every video Emmanuel has ever made over the past year.

That's quite a feat. He's pumping out hours of video every day. How he finds time for any actual flying I know not? Maybe that's why he's so grumpy and boring?

3 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

That's quite a feat. He's pumping out hours of video every day. How he finds time for any actual flying I know not? Maybe that's why he's so grumpy and boring?

He said he is in the process of transitioning to the A330. That should leave some free time.

11 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Unfortunately again with the usual trolls and haters, the worst being @activeX who appears in every XP-forum to spread toxicity and mock everyone liking XP. It would be great if someone could silent that guy. I tried to report him to YT but he is still around.

 

10 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

That activeX makes a career out of bashing X Plane where ever possible and anything he said should not be given any consideration whatsoever. He is total bias against X Plane, after all he names himself activeX so he is firmly in the MS camp and that name alone tells you where he stands on any issue. 

This activeX guy is a real PITA. He also commented on some of my videos on YT with aggressive and rude insults. I responded twice or three times to him, then deleted all his posts and blocked him for further comments on my channel. He doesn't even have own content on YT, but only permanent toxic comments. What else can you expect with his nick? 💀 The usual MS bruiser.

I believe Emmanuel tries to be as impartial as he can.

I can't evaluate the 737 and compare it to same aircraft in other platforms (FSX, P3D, AEFS, MFS 2020) because I am not a 737 pilot IRL.

I do watch other pilot youtube channels like the one by: flightdeck2sim who praises Zibo and the whole feel of flight allowed by X-Plane as opposed to MFS. He's also a RL 737 driver so....

At the end of the day I do believe it is always down to the beliefs and personal bias, which will always exist. None of these youtubers should be classified as biased, but they have their own different opinions and while Emmanuel ends saying very nice things about the Zibo, but emphasizing it's a "freeware", as if he couldn't otherwise rate it so high or compare it so well with the PMDG, flightdeck2sim in many of his videos points out how much better the overall feel of aircraft and "feel of flight" can be in X-Plane compared do MFS.

 

Also to note that the Zibo in X-Plane 12 (4.00-rc2.9) is not fully there yet.

It is very good already but the XP11 was more mature.

I haven't watched the video but I guess he found VNAV and A/T issues that are not present in XP11 for example.

Watched that video finally. There are reviews of Zibomod by other 737 pilots and I can guarantee you wont get same comments, its what they remember. But found video informative and use full. Dont remember other pilot commenting on pitch down might need to find.

14 hours ago, Franz007 said:

It would be great if someone could silent that guy.

The best way to deal with is realise what you are seeing is basically Vicky Pollard getting triggered.

At which point it becomes a half decent comedy show.

If you dont like seeing Vicky Pollard getting triggered probably dont read YT comments.

13 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

This isnt true, simply because as a simulator you cannot perfect everything.

Okay you can't perfect everything but if you are charging the customer money you need to ensure that your product is superior to any freeware product otherwise how do you justify paying money for your product?
The comparison proposed by the video does not make sense because a pay product is compared to a free product, belonging to two different platforms.
If the comparison had been made between two B737s (free and pay) belonging to the same platform, the comparison made a minimum of sense.
But in the case proposed by the video there is no sense.
Zibo wins the contest in XP12 because it is the only existing 737NG in XPlane.
PMDG wins the comparison in MSFS because it is the only 737NG existing in MSFS.
Both products therefore come out as "overall winners" in their respective platforms.
The only real difference between the two products is only the price.
The Zibo is free, so the customer cannot expect high quality, and is inclined to forgive any bugs.
The PMDG is paid, so the customer expects high quality and is less inclined to forgive bugs.

 

Edited July 24, 20232 yr by efis007

6 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

 

This activeX guy is a real PITA. He also commented on some of my videos on YT with aggressive and rude insults. I responded twice or three times to him, then deleted all his posts and blocked him for further comments on my channel. He doesn't even have own content on YT, but only permanent toxic comments. What else can you expect with his nick? 💀 The usual MS bruiser.

Yeah i am not surprised...at least you had the possibility to delete his comments as a page-author. In the meantime i actually reached out to Emanuel. He promised to take a better look at this guy's comments. So it's already a good sign to have people monitoring him.  Seriously guys, don't hesitate to report him to Emanuel as well, if he keeps being so toxic in future. I am sure this will help banning him from some YT-contents.

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

The best way to deal with is realise what you are seeing is basically Vicky Pollard getting triggered.

At which point it becomes a half decent comedy show.

If you dont like seeing Vicky Pollard getting triggered probably dont read YT comments.

If i understand you right, i actually cannot help but have to react when he attacks me on such a way. Ok, didn't react to his last few comments but it does anyway hurt me a bit and i don't think the community has to be so toxic. And if there is a way to silent such guys, we should try them.

8 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

I have watched almost every video Emmanuel has ever made over the past year. You must be watching a different presenter. What “constant criticisms”?

He flies various aircraft in MSFS and (now) X-Plane and gives his take on the performance and accuracy of the products based on his experience as a r/w airline pilot. He points out the good and not-so-good, which is exactly what a honest tester/evaluator should do.

It is certainly not a case of “PMDG can do no wrong, and every other product is garbage”, which seems to be what you are implying.

I have heard him praise many features of the WT AAU2 787-10 and some of the things he has found that don’t work quit right are things which WT themselves have admitted “need more work”.

He even had some good things to say about the ATR.

 In the recent Zibo “full flight” he found many things to praise, and also a few issues. Some features that worked better than PMDG and others not as well.

He is not always 100 percent positive about PMDG either. I have heard him critique glitches in both PMDG LNAV and VNAV and mention features which are not yet fully implemented.

As I said in a post last week, Emmanuel does not work for PMDG. He is a completely independent tester/advisor, not a developer. It is not his responsibility to “fix bugs” in PMDG. As a PMDG tester, I would assume he reports things that don’t work correctly through whatever private channels they use, but he is in no position to correct any bugs he may find.

 

The main difference in this situation is that if someone gives you something for free, it is essential to have the decency to say either thank you or decline the offer.

 

It's even more concerning when someone spends over an hour criticizing a free product, especially in comparison to paid products that are in a worse condition.

 

Regarding what you mentioned in a post last week, and now, yes, he's not employed by PMDG, he's consulting. There is no such statement here regarding that,  if you would pay closer attention to it. 

 

This is not about PMDG! 

 

And yes, I agree that he's not 100% positive about PMDG, but regarding others is way overboard and unfair.