Hi all,

after installing AIG Manager & Traffic Controller (I followed the included manual as well as two separate highly viewed YT tutorials - just to be sure) I noticed my frames drop from e.g. 60 - 70 FPS at KLAX to around 20 - 25 FPS... Am I missing something? 
This is what I followed EXACTLY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbrrArabaLk&t=2052s&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKO9dCBSRM&list=WL&index=3&t=334s&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuHlhSKZ38I&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

and also this (just to be sure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XM415ibRsM&t=1212s&ab_channel=OverKillSimulations

The reason I am asking is because I have seen MANY people say that AIG doesn't really impact FPS all that much...

System:

CPU

• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

Motherboard

• ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

RAM

• G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (4X8), DDR4-3600 (F4-3600C18Q-32GTZN)

GPU

• ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 3090 OC

Case

• Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black

Storage

• Samsung 980 PRO 2TB, M.2
• Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB, M.2

PSU

• Corsair RMx Series RM1000x 1000W

Display(s)

• LG UltraGear 27GN850-B, 27"

Cooling

• AIO: Arctic liquid Freezer II 360
•  
• Ventilation: 9X Corsair LL Series LL120 RGB

Keyboard

• Logitech G513 carbon, GX-BLUE

Mouse

• Logitech G502 Hero, USB

Sound

• Headphones: Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee, V-MODA Crossfade M-100
• Studio Monitors: Adam Audio T7V
• Microphone: Marantz MPM-1000
• DAC: Grace Design Standard DAC
• Headphone Amplifier: Alex Cavalli Tube Hybrid (CTH)
• Audio Interface: MOTU M2

Operating System

• Windows 11 Pro

Edited September 2, 20223 yr by gal-m

9 minutes ago, gal-m said:

Hi all,

after installing AIG Manager & Traffic Controller (I followed the included manual as well as two separate highly viewed YT tutorials - just to be sure) I noticed my frames drop from e.g. 60 - 70 FPS at KLAX to around 20 - 25 FPS... Am I missing something? 
This is what I followed EXACTLY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbrrArabaLk&t=2052s&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKO9dCBSRM&list=WL&index=3&t=334s&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuHlhSKZ38I&ab_channel=2020fs'ers

and also this (just to be sure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XM415ibRsM&t=1212s&ab_channel=OverKillSimulations

The reason I am asking is because I have seen MANY people say that AIG doesn't really impact FPS all that much...

System:

CPU

• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

Motherboard

• ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

RAM

• G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (4X8), DDR4-3600 (F4-3600C18Q-32GTZN)

GPU

• ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 3090 OC

Case

• Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black

Storage

• Samsung 980 PRO 2TB, M.2
• Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB, M.2

PSU

• Corsair RMx Series RM1000x 1000W

Display(s)

• LG UltraGear 27GN850-B, 27"

Cooling

• AIO: Arctic liquid Freezer II 360
•  
• Ventilation: 9X Corsair LL Series LL120 RGB

Keyboard

• Logitech G513 carbon, GX-BLUE

Mouse

• Logitech G502 Hero, USB

Sound

• Headphones: Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee, V-MODA Crossfade M-100
• Studio Monitors: Adam Audio T7V
• Microphone: Marantz MPM-1000
• DAC: Grace Design Standard DAC
• Headphone Amplifier: Alex Cavalli Tube Hybrid (CTH)
• Audio Interface: MOTU M2

Operating System

• Windows 11 Pro

That is indeed a huge drop, but thinking about the 500+ AI aircraft in the Los Angeles area (that's like 5 international airports plus several general aviation airports) that will suddenly have to be rendered and controlled, it's not impossible. That's an insane amount of AI traffic, mostly taxiing the CPU. Was your AIGTC set to 100% traffic? If so and if you don't like that drop, just lower the percentage (before you inject traffic).

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

Was your AIGTC set to 100% traffic?

Hey @Fiorentoni, no, I had it lowered to around 70%. I also opened the Traffic Controller after my aircraft spawned in and only then injected... 

Might it have to do with the fact that I have a lot of liveries installed? (I have most of them installed)

Just now, gal-m said:

Hey @Fiorentoni, no, I had it lowered to around 70%. I also opened the Traffic Controller after my aircraft spawned in and only then injected... 

Might it have to do with the fact that I have a lot of liveries installed? (I have most of them installed)

The amount of liveries installed themselves are not the problem, it's only the amount of AI traffic, which you can regulate by the AIGTC, as you did. I cannot really say if there's a problem or not, because I limit my FPS to 30. When I do 100% AIGTC at KLAX with ultra graphics my FPS drops to about 21 with a plane like the Fenix. My CPU and GPU are weaker than yours.

I think even with 70% traffic (that's still about 300 aircraft over Los Angeles) you will be CPU-bottlenecked, so there's not much you can do. 30 FPS is perfectly fine for airliner flying; I guess you'll have to adapt, because there's no way to have that many AI aircraft over Los Angeles and still get 70 FPS.

6 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

0 FPS is perfectly fine for airliner flying

I know @Fiorentoni, I am used to this from my FSX and P3D days, however I was concerned because I noticed multiple people on the forum state that AIG and FPS drops (such as mine) aren't a thing.. But I am so to say "glad" that you're having the same experience as me.

The interesting thing is that if I just max out my in-sim traffic settings and set it to Live Traffic I only drop by about 10 - 15 FPS.

Does AIG just load that many more aircraft?

Oh @Fiorentoni I also forgot to mention I am running a completely fresh install with no other mods. I also have my FPS capped at 40, but always uncap when testing mods to see if there are any big issues. I was also in the default Cessna 172 when testing this..

48 minutes ago, gal-m said:

The reason I am asking is because I have seen MANY people say that AIG doesn't really impact FPS all that much...

Well that’s a statement with modifications. It’s heavy on the CPU, for sure. Depends on a lot of things; what CPU do you have, what’s your terrain LOD, what’s your AIG % and so on.

I’ve got a fairly decent system. But AIG at 100% at inibuild’s EGLL with all settings ultra will absolutely kill mainthread render times.

20 minutes ago, gal-m said:

I know @Fiorentoni, I am used to this from my FSX and P3D days, however I was concerned because I noticed multiple people on the forum state that AIG and FPS drops (such as mine) aren't a thing.. But I am so to say "glad" that you're having the same experience as me.

The interesting thing is that if I just max out my in-sim traffic settings and set it to Live Traffic I only drop by about 10 - 15 FPS.

Does AIG just load that many more aircraft?

yes, online loads less traffic. In the KLAX area a setting of 30% does make more sense.

Just now, Cpt_Piett said:

Depends on a lot of things; what CPU do you have, what’s your terrain LOD, what’s your AIG % and so on.

Hi @Cpt_Piett, as stated above I have a 5900X and an RTX 3090. MSFS installed on a 2TB 980 Pro m.2 SSD. Clean install. No mods. LOD set at 150, 70% AIG.

1 minute ago, pilotter said:

yes, online loads less traffic. In the KLAX area a setting of 30% does make more sense

Ahh.. so I might need to consider a PER airport kind of approach to using this mod @pilotter... what kind of % do you use?

3 minutes ago, gal-m said:

Ahh.. so I might need to consider a PER airport kind of approach to using this mod @pilotter... what kind of % do you use?

depends if I am.enyoing scenery and AI somethimes online, or 100%. when flyong usualy around 30%, I like high Fps .Our system is mostly alike.

Just now, pilotter said:

depends if I am.enyoing scenery and AI somethimes online, or 100%. when flyong usualy around 30%, I like high Fps .Our system is mostly alike.

Interesting @pilotter. This is nonetheless very good info. Though I must mention I have seen people say that settings lower than 50% might cause issues.. (I can't find the link to the post I am trying to reference here). I don't see why though..

BTW, how do you all come up with a number like "500 aircraft if it's set to 100%"? 

The coordinates / movements / animations of every AIG ac have to be calculated, so many ac will bring your systems performance down.

How much depends on your hardware and settings.

Here I use PSXT Live Traffic + Real Traffic + AIG models and my limit is about 25 parked ac + all Live ac.

Summary: you will have try and see what works for you. A starting point might be your most demanding airport to test. If you find your sweet spot there you will not have framerate issues at other airports.

I definitely agree that the high traffic percentage in major dense airport areas is causing the issue.

I flew out of LGA last night and had plenty of stutters on my machine every time the traffic needed to load or change a chunk of the traffic as I traveled along the northeastern seaboard. I had it set to 100%, and based on this thread, I'm definitely going to play around with the percentage.

The stutters were significant and the culprit was definitely AIG TC. Frankly, it's a program that requires significant optimization and it's still in alpha, as AIG has said that the clients weren't really designed to be end-customer facing as they are.

I've had many CTDs caused by TC, but I keep persisting with it because it makes the overall experience so much better. The in-game traffic settings result in a LOT less traffic as well as bizarre planes/liveries as static scenery.

Edited September 2, 20223 yr by mmcmah

20 minutes ago, mmcmah said:

The stutters were significant and the culprit was definitely AIG TC. Frankly, it's a program that requires significant optimization and it's still in alpha, as AIG has said that the clients weren't really designed to be end-customer facing as they are.

  🙄 AIGTC's fault as a program running or that it's just injecting so much traffic? Turn your injected traffic % to ZERO and see if it still stutters. The load is from the shear number of liveries and the pc having to calculate what all of that traffic is supposed to be doing. I've never had MSFS CTD except within the first couple of months after initial release, AIGTC itself does CTD though from time to time but it doesn't take the sim down with it.

 

39 minutes ago, gal-m said:

so I might need to consider a PER airport kind of approach

Bingo!  Try running AI Companion and it's Traffic Limiter. You can customize it and get pretty awesome results based on where you are flying to/from.

 

Edited September 2, 20223 yr by Dave_YVR