3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

You're not compelled to answer topics. It's optional. Stay silent for a change.

That was exactly what I finished with. 

8 hours ago, mSparks said:

suffer in silence is the name of the game from here on out.

 

32 minutes ago, mSparks said:

xp12 scenery not usable

LOL, those are your words, not mine. Anyway,  I've been cleared for take off, so I'm done with this "going nowhere" conversation, Marry Christmas.

54 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

LOL, those are your words, not mine. Anyway,  I've been cleared for take off, so I'm done with this "going nowhere" conversation, Marry Christmas.

Mate, I'm almost sure "xp12 scenery not usable" is because xp12 is not out 😇

Anyway:

Edited December 17, 20214 yr by akita

13 minutes ago, akita said:

Mate, I'm almost sure "xp12 scenery not usable" is because xp12 is not out 

hahahaha, indeed!

Yes, I've seen those pics and the lighting effects are obsoletely gorgeous, even the clouds on the background look nice. I'm really looking forward to XP12 as I have been XP user for man many years.

Yeah, really looking forward to X-Plane 12, can't wait to see all the new things in action. Feels like they've addressed every single issue I had with the sim, except one. 

41 minutes ago, akita said:

xp12 is not out 😇

He says, before subsequently posting screenshots from xp12.

"out" is subjective.

 

 

On 12/15/2021 at 1:45 PM, mSparks said:

The 90fps thing is a physical and biological thing, In VR 90fps is actually low, Sony require 120fps mins for VR titles to make it onto their store.

It's just completely different physiological process than watching a monitor when you have the rest of the real world around you for reference, in VR the screen is your entire world, and the brain is very good at converting what you see into a sense of motion, does a reasonable job even when its only getting purely 2D signals from a monitor. 

XP11 has some GPU compute headroom XP12 will make use of (XP11 barely using any), but its not huge, because steam VR is using it to keep the mins, aka reprojection, aka "the black edges" the MS VR guys are currently reporting, aka XP11 issues a couple of years ago:

On 12/15/2021 at 2:11 PM, mSparks said:

I'm oversimplifying because the details are much less important than the point that current very high end tech (regardless of application) can not do XP11 max world objects without creating unwanted sensory perceptions, so more than XP11 max world objects is worthless any time soon.

There is a whole different conversation in there about the details, things like the lighting (more accurate formula rather than more formula) and better use of hardware resources (Mmmmm treees, millions and millions of treesss, and those clouds, yeah baby).

This is why the likes of Beat Saber are so successful even though technically speaking their object complexity is about as basic as it gets (some cubes and a tiny bit of vector graphics with no fill).

At the same time, even current mid range hardware can achieve the 90fps mins, they just need much lower settings to keep it there, turn the weather off, turn the scenery complexity down further: Even xplane/MSFS on minimum settings in VR blows MSFS on Ultra but 2D out of the water (but the wallet is going to hurt after, because no one wants to use min settings)

For what its worth, no matter what this research says, frame rate requirements is a personal measure and not absolute.  For me, 90 fps is NOT needed to enjoy VR - a smooth 30fps is more than plenty.  I have a high tolerance for motion sickness so am able to wear a headset quite comfortably with 30fps for several hours (have had it on nearly 6 hours straight before).  The occasional "jutters and stutters" that drive some to distraction dont bother me at all.

The often bandied term "immersion" is also subjective and derives from a combination of effects.  To me, there is a balance tradeoff between frame rate and visual fidelity and in my personal case I tend to go more for fidelity as it lends just as much (perhaps more) to the suspension of disbelief as the higher frame rate.  Silky smooth 90fps+ playback is great, but if it requires an excessive simplification of the visuals to get there its not worth the compromise for me.

My argument isnt that you should just ignore frame rate, but to claim (in a later post) that its not worth going beyond "max" objects if you cant hit 90fps is in itself a subjective statement and not an absolute truth in so far as enjoyment of VR is concerned.

Edited December 17, 20214 yr by VFXSimmer

On 12/10/2021 at 10:36 AM, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Hi,

As far as the gateway, a genius idea having users create airports for your sim at no cost to the company, one large depository with the ability to check quality before adding them into the mix! 

I truly believe MS2020 users come here because they are "VERY WORRIED" about XP12's release!!! Just look at their stats, seems the novelty for buildings that turn to mush up close has worn off. With the release of XP12, those numbers below will only go D O W N further!

The green line represents Microsoft. Looks like Xplane has a nice steady following, lets see what happens to the blue line (over time) after XP12 gets release. MS2020 keeps taking that dive, it won't be around long.

 

You have some interesting opinions.  I really enjoy MSFS, and I previously enjoyed XP11 very much.  I plan on purchasing XP12 as well.  MSFS is not going away either lol.  I think many of us have forgotten that when a new sim comes out, it takes some time to develop quality addons etc etc.  I remember when XP11 first came out - lots of issues etc.... they mostly got ironed out (maybe except tail dragger physics yuck).  No one is worried about XP12's release.  Many of us are excited!

On 12/17/2021 at 3:23 PM, ryanbatcund said:

No one is worried about XP12's release.  Many of us are excited!

Absolutely, what an unfortunate focus to fuel this 'us versus them' mentality.  I'm very excited to see where LR takes XP in the version 12 release--we all win as consumers of flight simulation software.

51 minutes ago, turbomax said:

because scenery wise, "the other one" has pretty much everything else already covered.

Not really. No powerlines, no proper industrial areas, lots of missing crucial obstacles... not even close to "everything else" already covered, lots of them are VFR keys.

But also, i'm not sure how your statement obseletes mine, what does accurate airports has to do with accurate cities?

Edited January 15, 20224 yr by mtaxp

Here we go again. 

I’ve hidden several posts talking about MSFS. This topic is about airports in XP.

Any repetition will result in a holiday.