5 hours ago, aniiran said:

No the A320 series is my absolute favorite airplane.  It's just the trend of every talented developer doing the same airplanes or sceneries over and over is.... I don't know the right word to use... disappointing I guess.

The vast number of airlines, that fly the CEO should make it very interesting for simmers in many countries. And, ... that the CEO burns more fuel than the NEO is of no concern for simmers... 🙂

Also getting the foundation of the Airbus avionics right gives the vendor a good platform to also release the other Airbus models at a later time. As Airbus Cross Crew Qualification offers easy type rating transitions ( = many technical similarities, common procedures,...), sim addon devs can also reuse a lot when developping the next model...

I can't confirm the source on this but I read on the Fenix discord that the A320 will supposedly require an external application to be running outside the sim. I guess in a similar sort of fashion that you need to start Active Sky for your weather, and essentially that external application is what runs the systems. Although again, and I stress, I read that just skimming the discord and am pretty certain it didn't come from an official source. So, grain of salt people.

If true though it may run similar to that of a ProSim module (although I gotta admit, I also have no idea how that works but I've seen home cockpit videos on youtube of 737 Max sims in MFS so there you go).

4 minutes ago, suncoastflyer said:

I can't confirm the source on this but I read on the Fenix discord that the A320 will supposedly require an external application to be running outside the sim. I guess in a similar sort of fashion that you need to start Active Sky for your weather, and essentially that external application is what runs the systems. Although again, and I stress, I read that just skimming the discord and am pretty certain it didn't come from an official source. So, grain of salt people.

If true though it may run similar to that of a ProSim module (although I gotta admit, I also have no idea how that works but I've seen home cockpit videos on youtube of 737 Max sims in MFS so there you go).

Possibly, but either way it probably won't be a big deal.  There are plenty of MSFS apps that run outside of the sim already (through Simconnect I think) and they work well.

It may be a good advantage if it runs on its own processor cores anyway.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by bobcat999

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

It may be a good advantage if it runs on its own processor cores anyway.

Every external application will always run on cores that have spare cycles available, this is done automatically by Windows ( can be controlled by users with the affinity settings ), there's no need for the developer to do any special coding to achieve this.

In addition to that, an external application can even create its own set of threads, so developers can further parallelize their own code, to prevent stalling when doing long background calculations, for example.

This is currently not possible with WASM, since it's single threaded.

Another advantage of an external application, is that you can close it and restart it without having to restart the sim. And, when they crash, they usually won't bring down the sim too.

The only "problem" with external applications, is they won't be approved to be sold on the MS Marketplace, and won't run on XBOX.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by virtuali

1 minute ago, virtuali said:

Every external application will always run on cores that have spare cycles available, this is done automatically by Windows ( can be controlled by users with the affinity settings ), there's no need for the developer to do any special coding to achieve this.

In addition to that, an external application can even create its own set of threads, so developers can further parallelize their own code, to prevent stalling when doing long background calculations, for example.

This is currently not possible with WASM, since it's single threaded.

Excellent!  Sincere thanks for your information on that.  So to me, this seems like a good thing in general.

8 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Excellent!  Sincere thanks for your information on that.  So to me, this seems like a good thing in general.

The Bell 47 requires an external app running.  Just about every HW module has always required a separate app to be running (LINDA, Opencockpits, FS Force, XP Force,  etc) it's very common and at the end of the day shouldn't impact the user experience which is ultimately what we as "users" care about.  I care more about my experience in the sim than what a Dev had to do to make it happen 🙂  To the point @virtuali made it also allows for those external apps to be started/stopped without restarting the sim which can be hugely beneficial.

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People seem to get pretty excited by some nice looking images. Sure it looks great and if they deliver what they talk about then great. Though I remember both Airsimmer and Airliner XP Airbuses promising heaven and sky. Both ended in disaster.

 

This doesn't look like it will be released anytime soon.they still haven't figured out a price and they

were talking about alpha and beta testing.

18 minutes ago, Bigsby said:

This doesn't look like it will be released anytime soon.they still haven't figured out a price and they

were talking about alpha and beta testing.

It's better than the render screenshots we see every 3 months from developers who are about to "start" making a new aircraft.

At least this one has code written for it!

10 hours ago, IcemanFBW said:

On the topic of pricing, I do wonder whether the speculative price range of around $60 (based on that Reddit comment), given the supposed depth of this aircraft, will prompt any changes or reconsideration at PMDG and other similar developers regarding high fidelity payware aircraft pricing.

If this delivers even half of what’s promised for under $75, I can’t see how PMDG could release ports of their 777/747 (possibly with some missing features, too) at a higher price. Not if they want to make money, anyway…

As someone else said, they can either drop the price or add features/up their game.

What an interesting time to be a simmer! We had ten years of utter stagnation (punctuated, in fairness, by flashes of brilliance like GSX, the PMDG NGX and the FSL Airbus) and now we’ve got a genuinely vibrant market where news like this, out of the blue, can suddenly threaten to knock out a top developer altogether. It’s wild.

James

6 hours ago, omarsmak30 said:

 Plus they are busy with their Concorde which I am questioning, if it will make a breaking sales for them, especially it is still on P3D. 

I just popped over at the FS Labs forum.  There are FS Labs customers that are saying they won't even purchase the Concorde for P3D when it comes out: https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/topic/30340-did-fslabs-miss-the-msfs-train-with-the-upcoming-fenix-a320/&do=findComment&comment=242728

Not sure how many FS Labs customers think this way. But yeah, that isn't good news for FS Labs.  If enough FS Labs customers think this way, that they only want the Concorde for MSFS and not for P3D (because P3D is quickly becoming an obsolete platform for new products), FS Labs may very well make a net loss on the Concorde when it is released for P3D.  

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Then you have some people that argue Austin is a nice "philanthropist" and he is so passionate about X-Plane that he will spend his entire fortune on X-Plane - I don't believe this for a second.  While I believe Austin can be passionate about X-Plane, he is not going to bankrupt himself and waste away his entire life's fortune just to save X-Plane.  At the most, I think if Austin is still very passionate about X-Plane, he may keep a small developer team working on it through the years (even if he makes a loss on future X-Plane sales for the home market), but not enough to bankrupt himself or waste away his entire life's fortune (or he may refocus all his X-Plane developer resources purely for the commercial market, if there is money to be made there).  

What many people seem to miss is that LR is making most of its revenue from X-Plane for mobile devices. Austin made that clear in 2019 or 2020 after being criticized for putting too much effort into the development of X-Plane Mobile.

7 minutes ago, Belgarath said:

What many people seem to miss is that LR is making most of its revenue from X-Plane for mobile devices. Austin made that clear in 2019 or 2020 after being criticized for putting too much effort into the development of X-Plane Mobile.

Is there any evidence yet of developers leaving XP for MSFS ?

I'm more than willing to believe that XP and MSFS could co-exist as separate sim ecosystems going forward with their own strengths and weaknesses, so I'm curious if the economics suggest if that happening or not.

When intelligence meets passion and when skills are strong, you get a masterpiece. Good luck to the developers of this titanic project, they have all my admiration and my support.

Did I miss anything about expected release window ? Any guess or possible date stated by devolopers ?