4 minutes ago, jimcarrel said:

I wish them luck, but I still have to think that with all the systems that they claim they have modeled (stored heat in the cargo hold), (atmospheric influences on different electrical systems - I think that is what was mentioned), (fidelity of real world GPS satellites)  my 7700K is going to get about 3FPS.

I think a common misconception is that the systems sim side of aircraft addons is what makes those addons heavy. That is almost universally never the case: that GPS sim they speak of is a relatively straightforward set of calcs that most CPUs could do millions of times per second, for example. Unless they're actually raycasting infrared heat transfer from individualized items, a general heat sim is also going to be very light.

In general, it's really the displays that almost always take up most of the load. There are usually orders of magnitude more time spent in drawing routines than in systems.

-Matt

3 minutes ago, 737_800 said:

 

Just let people be happy and enjoy, since anticipation is the best joy.

Who said am not looking forward to it as much as everyone else. "Just let people be happy and enjoy," I am very sorry. hey its the best addon that we have ever had...........is that better?

Here is a vid to make you even happyer!

 

So all we have are screenshots? Okay....

2 minutes ago, RobJC said:

So all we have are screenshots? Okay....

Posted by a youtuber and not Fenix

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

I agree with the modeling. I personly dont think that within 1-2 years Fenix have coded the level of ferdelity that has taken 10 years to do for the FSL. We will see.🙂. Am happy to sit and wait and see. Hype and speculaion is a wonderfull thing. 🙂

If you own the FSL you would not need to ask. Just go watch the counless streams of it. It must be the most streamed addon and for good reason. 

But it seems this topic has already desided this is going to be the best aircraft addon ever made, so enjoy! 🙂

FSL doesn't 'technically' have a RNP capable aircraft.  FENIX already does.  FENIX already has ETPs, Route Offsets, etc.  FENIX already modelled RNP degradation.  FSL didn't.  Given the advanced FMGC features that the FENIX already has that FSL doesn't, do you really think they left out the basics?

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2 hours ago, Nyxx said:

I am really surprised by some of the comments here, well not surprised at them more from the people they have come from.

How anyone can hale this as better or as good as the FSL is really jumping the gun big time. We have not even seen it in a full flight let alone anything else. Also I would never underestimate Leftris and Andrew. 

I think we should all wait and see what we get before making crazy sweeping statments. It did not take upto now 10 years to make the FSL for nothing and thinking this is going to be the new bench mark is frankly wishfull thinking.

I personly hope its much better than the AS Bus and if its 70% of the FSL that will be amazing. I loook forward to it very much as for what we have seen it looks great. So much better than the what we have now, its no wonder the FBW team are looking for people to modle it properly like the Fenix one looks like.

It’s not people here that are saying this will be the best aircraft, it’s Fenix themselves. We will have to wait and see the outcome of this project. 
 

What I can say so far is I’m impressed by its features and the visual details. Also, like others said above, reliable people are onboard, so We should give them some credit.

4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I just popped over at the FS Labs forum.  There are FS Labs customers that are saying they won't even purchase the Concorde for P3D when it comes out: https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/topic/30340-did-fslabs-miss-the-msfs-train-with-the-upcoming-fenix-a320/&do=findComment&comment=242728

Not sure how many FS Labs customers think this way. But yeah, that isn't good news for FS Labs.  If enough FS Labs customers think this way, that they only want the Concorde for MSFS and not for P3D (because P3D is quickly becoming an obsolete platform for new products), FS Labs may very well make a net loss on the Concorde when it is released for P3D.  

I think Lefteris was very smart leaving that thread open on their forum. Good way to see what your customer thought processes are.

Blackbox711 statement joining Fenix team:

 

Well honestly if he is with them, that means this project is something with very high potential as I really trust him and I witnessed how he helped FSL since FSX days. It looks like Fenix is the FSL "level" for MSFS  🤔

1 minute ago, omarsmak30 said:

Blackbox711 statement joining Fenix team:

 

Well honestly if he is with them, that means this project is something with very high potential as I really trust him and I witnessed how he helped FSL since FSX days. It looks like Fenix is the FSL "level" for MSFS  🤔

I think if FSL had something behind the scenes for the new sim BB probably wouldn't have left.  That alone is pretty telling, IMO.  I know we don't know with 100% certainty, but FSL not making any kind of statement what so ever doesn't help.

2 hours ago, 737_800 said:

I can still understand your concern after the AirSimmer debacle.

Ahh, I still remember that disaster. Probably main reason, for now, that I stick with FSL/P3D. But like I said, once out and meets the promise, au revoir P3D.

2 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I think if FSL had something behind the scenes for the new sim BB probably wouldn't have left.  That alone is pretty telling, IMO.  I know we don't know with 100% certainty, but FSL not making any kind of statement what so ever doesn't help.

Exactly! As I said before, FSL was (and is still) acting like MSFS is invisible and I really highly doubt if they are doing something in MSFS as it seems they are in their comfort zone in P3D.  Also don't forget that  BB711 needs to keep his twitch channel up and running with new content, if he keeps streaming FSL everytime (although he sometimes streams FBW), the views will get less and less due to P3D. But now with Fenix, his channel views will bounce and pretty sure will be always streaming Fenix. 

 

10 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Exactly! As I said before, FSL was (and is still) acting like MSFS is invisible and I really highly doubt if they are doing something in MSFS as it seems they are in their comfort zone in P3D.  Also don't forget that  BB711 needs to keep his twitch channel up and running with new content, if he keeps streaming FSL everytime (although he sometimes streams FBW), the views will get less and less due to P3D. But now with Fenix, his channel views will bounce and pretty sure will be always streaming Fenix. 

 

He doesn't have problem with viewership.  I've seen him stream the Mad Dog, PMDG and the Q as well, but yeah the Bus is his favorite.  I think it's more about the new sim is just light years ahead of anything else, even in it's un-optimized and flight plan manager and WX broke state...lol.  He's no different from the rest of us wanting the new sim fully up and running.  Given the fact that MS/ASOBO are moving at light speed to get the new sim 'fixed' as well as all the new content they keep pumping out, it's just natural that everyone is moving over.

We're also at the point where a lot of the core features of the sim are going to be fixed soon (or at least to a more VATSIM flyable) state.  When you factor that with a 30 FPS bump we're going to get in the next couple of weeks, and PMDG releasing the 37 here in a few short months, and now the FENIX at a fairly advanced state, it's time to start getting your new sim ready to go.  

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4 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Exactly! As I said before, FSL was (and is still) acting like MSFS is invisible and I really highly doubt if they are doing something in MSFS as it seems they are in their comfort zone in P3D.  Also don't forget that  BB711 needs to keep his twitch channel up and running with new content, if he keeps streaming FSL everytime (although he sometimes streams FBW), the views will get less and less due to P3D. But now with Fenix, his channel views will bounce and pretty sure will be always streaming Fenix. 

 

Well FSL was never fast. I wasn't expecting to see them releasing anything for MSFS any sooner. I remember them assessing the possibility to develop their Concorde for MSFS, but they have decided to go the P3D way. They are moving on their own pace. But as I was expecting, others would fill in the voids. PMDG was clever to claim their space sooner on the development.

7 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

He doesn't have problem with viewership.  I've seen him stream the Mad Dog, PMDG and the Q as well, but yeah the Bus is his favorite.  I think it's more about the new sim is just light years ahead of anything else, even in it's un-optimized and flight plan manager and WX broke state...lol.  He's no different from the rest of us wanting the new sim fully up and running.  Given the fact that MS/ASOBO are moving at light speed to get the new sim 'fixed' as well as all the new content they keep pumping out, it's just natural that everyone is moving over.

We're also at the point where a lot of the core features of the sim are going to be fixed soon (or at least to a more VATSIM flyable) state.  When you factor that with a 30 FPS bump we're going to get in the next couple of weeks, and PMDG releasing the 37 here in a few short months, and now the FENIX at a fairly advanced state, it's time to start getting your new sim ready to go.  

I would remind you to lower your expectation when it comes to any sim update. Your experience may vary.

20 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Exactly! As I said before, FSL was (and is still) acting like MSFS is invisible and I really highly doubt if they are doing something in MSFS as it seems they are in their comfort zone in P3D.  Also don't forget that  BB711 needs to keep his twitch channel up and running with new content, if he keeps streaming FSL everytime (although he sometimes streams FBW), the views will get less and less due to P3D. But now with Fenix, his channel views will bounce and pretty sure will be always streaming Fenix. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

Well FSL was never fast. I wasn't expecting to see them releasing anything for MSFS any sooner. I remember them assessing the possibility to develop their Concorde for MSFS, but they have decided to go the P3D way. They are moving on their own pace. But as I was expecting, others would fill in the voids. PMDG was clever to claim their space sooner on the development.

Was there a "study level" Airbus in P3D when FSL decided to make one for P3D?  Just curious because I was away from flight simming for the last 10 years. 

Because I can see how FSL would succeed with P3D if there wasn't a "study level" Airbus in P3D when they came out with theirs.  The market was theirs for the taking if they didn't have any other competition.  

This time, the market isn't FSL's for the taking, assuming Fenix delivers on the A320 for MSFS.  The problem is, if Fenix comes out with an A320 that FSL can't beat in MSFS, and then Fenix comes out with A319, A321, etc, for MSFS because they have already done the base code for an Airbus and it's easy for them to make an A319, A321, and so on, Fenix will have cornered that market for themselves and then FSL is kind of scr*wed, especially if P3D sales have dropped off a cliff for 3rd party developers.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by abrams_tank