Above all, the good is that after all these years we will get again MSFS, only a leap forward of what it was left at times of MS FLIGHT, which, IMHO, was already the best I could have then...

And even more enchanting!  We were not expecting this to happen now!

 

18 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

Come on fellows. Back on topic please. This isn't the FSX vs. Xplane forum or topic .

 

welcome back, it has been a while.

1 minute ago, jcomm said:

Above all, the good is that after all these years we will get again MSFS, only a leap forward of what it was left at times of MS FLIGHT, which, IMHO, was already the best I could have then...

And even more enchanting!  We were not expecting this to happen now!

 

Beautifully summed up @jcomm! As for the topic in question. FSX was a long time ago. The Microsoft then, the ACES team then - it's all very different now - a clean slate so to speak, a new start on a new world..., no wait thats a different film...

Anybody who knows anything about software development knows it's not easy but given the changes this time we should cut Microsoft some slack if there are issues. Whats important is that the technology has been modernised, they are listening to our posts and of course above all else - Microsoft Flight Simulator is BACK!!! ❤️ ✈️

1 hour ago, CarlosF said:

The fact that FSX still is and will always be a 32bit sim, only proves my point.

32 bit was just the start. The flight sim code was full of Gremlins from the 80' and 90's. Even Aces would admit now it was terrible code. Fifteen years later and modern super PC's still get the blurries, pop-ins and stutters.  The one positive is that FSX provided the Ground work for the direction of XP10 and 11.

So much hate for a 13-year-old application that has been pushed way beyond its limits with more recent add-ons. I don't have a modern PC, but I doubt there would be any blurries or stutters without add-ons even on a mid-range system today.

There's a reason add-on developers have been pushing the engine beyond what it was designed to do, because there isn't any definitive simulator that can replace it (except for Prepar3D which is highly derivative of ESP, but it doesn't appeal to a broad market). Hopefully next year we will have one.

12 minutes ago, Greazer said:

32 bit was just the start. The flight sim code was full of Gremlins from the 80' and 90's. Even Aces would admit now it was terrible code. Fifteen years later and modern super PC's still get the blurries, pop-ins and stutters.  The one positive is that FSX provided the Ground work for the direction of XP10 and 11.

You probably know that the XP code originally is as old as the MSFS/ESP code, i.e from the 1980s. I tried the first XP versions myself in the 1990s. 

Kind regards, Michael

 

Hey, hate to get off topic,  but isn't it no longer a day away? It's the 26th, and dont software developers leave work early when they run out of doritos and mountain dew? I know I do. Waiting impatiently for the next ms news, just hours away

Update is out.

7 minutes ago, pmb said:

You probably know that the XP code originally is as old as the MSFS/ESP code, i.e from the 1980s. I tried the first XP versions myself in the 1990s. 

Kind regards, Michael

Can only assume you are referring to the graphics. They are upgrading it right now. Implementing Vulkan and multi-core and optimizing it. Making further enhancements to the flight modeling (watch Austin Meyer's YouTube whiteboard class). No matter what FS2020 brings, the flight sim purists, who need exact flight modeling, will always go for XP. That's why real pilots like Flightdeck2sim switched to XP/Zibo Mod. Don't forget Austin's words, XP is not a game, it's an Engineering Tool.

18 minutes ago, Greazer said:

No matter what FS2020 brings, the flight sim purists, who need exact flight modeling, will always go for XP.

Seems like you've already made up your mind regarding Microsoft Flight Simulator, an unreleased product that nobody has even tried yet. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish with all these posts.

1 hour ago, rjfry said:

I am surprised that die hard XPlane users would be here or interested in a Microsoft sim then I remembered from the P3D forums, trolls  

geeez Raymond, settle down man, Im not a die hard xp user, but I am a die hard sim user, the only reason I sim with XP is because the other options just don't cut it for me, period.

Im very happy Microsoft decided to get on the sim wagon again and if MS DO deliver and FS2020 (or whatever the name) does meet my own personal expectations, then there is no question I will be first in line to get it.

 

 

11 hours ago, Greazer said:

No matter what FS2020 brings, the flight sim purists, who need exact flight modeling, will always go for XP

Exact flight modelling is of little value if you do not invest significantly in controller hardware.    I assume therefore that all XP purists have precision engineered Brunner Yoke and rudder systems?  Because using a sim purely for its exacting flight dynamics is complete and utter nonsense if you are using a £100 controller with bad input resolution and  'good enough' calibration.  

Yes, excellent flight dynamics is something we all want - and have wanted forever.  But lets not take ourselves too seriously on this issue.

Unless you are type rated on a specific aircraft or are/have been a qualified pilot in the past, then most would never know what real flight dynamics feels like in any particular aircraft.

 

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by ErichB

Guys, maybe take a step back, & remember, what we are going to get, from XBOX GAME STUDIOS, is a game that simulates a simulator!

This forum should contain nothing about X-Plane, P3D, or any other sims that are being compared to a couple of minutes of clips from a Tech Alpha release.

Really, guys, OCD has really become an issue!

11 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Guys, maybe take a step back, & remember, what we are going to get, from XBOX GAME STUDIOS, is a game that simulates a simulator!

But it is a simulator, so heavily loaded with realistic visual and sound cues that in your mind, it  will absolutely be real - until Eskom plunges you into load shedding.

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by ErichB

LOL, Real? Seriously? We know how it sounds?

Anyhow, we are a day later, after the Change in History of MSFS!

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by Wobbie