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1 hour ago, The Flight Level said:

Aerosoft/Toliss will take a significant chunk of A340 sales from Ini given the depth of Toliss systems in XP. Many are saying their version will be superior given past history.

I would like to see how this plays out given the fact that how Aerosoft burned all their customers with their A330CE. I won't be jumping onboard until I see how they release support and customer service. I still have a bad taste in my mouth. I'll be more interested in the Ini release.

Yes, I too shall wait a month or so before buying, but if all is well then I am excited! I fly Toliss in x plane and they are amazingly good. Just the graphics are a let down (relatively speaking, the graphics are fine, just not Fenix/MSFS quality), but the systems and flying are really great. 

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Fantastic news. With Toliss' systems, it will be in a totally different league to the iniBuilds a340.

 

Now if some good developer could please give as a good A350...

3 hours ago, The Flight Level said:

A little more scoop! https://msfsaddons.com/2025/06/28/aerosoft-and-toliss-announce-airbus-a340-600-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/

 

So sounds like more than systems?

Aerosoft confirmed that the A340-600 is being developed natively for MSFS, and is not a port from ToLiss’ X-Plane lineup. The aircraft is being built from the ground up to take advantage of Microsoft Flight Simulator’s unique technologies, including modern rendering systems and native flight dynamics.

ToLiss is responsible for all major aspects of the aircraft, including systems simulation, flight model, avionics, and overall logic, leveraging their extensive expertise in Airbus development. Aerosoft is providing artwork, 3D modeling, and publishing support

7 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I wonder if this is Toliss's first step into the MSFS market. From the Navigraph survey and SteamDB numbers, the MSFS market dwarfs the XP 12 market, especially when you factor in tne XBox market. 

This reminds me of Heatblur from DCS World. Their first MSFS add-on was a collaboration with India Echo Foxtrot. And then for their next add-on, Heatblur decided to do it all themselves, without collaboration (Heatblur misf have also made enough in sales on their first add-on, to convince themselves it was worth their time to work on a second add-on for MSFS).

I guess we will see where Toliss heads, but it's always smart to diversify, especially when the MSFS market is so much more lucrative.

Why do I always get chatGPT vibes from your posts. Weird.
Anyway, No. Toliss is not leaving x-plane. Torsten made that very clear. He’s doing what pro sim did. Licensing out his Airbus code to Aerosoft as it’s an aerosoft product. He explained this, and was emphatic about it. I spoke to Torsten at length, and he stated that Tollis have projects lined up for X-Plane for at least, the next 2 years.  If diversification was a good idea, we would have MSFS developers include X-Plane and DCS in their development schedule. Successful developers know what they’re doing. Especially when they’ve been around long enough to know how to run their business. 

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3 hours ago, GoranM said:

Why do I always get chatGPT vibes from your posts. Weird.
Anyway, No. Toliss is not leaving x-plane. Torsten made that very clear. He’s doing what pro sim did. Licensing out his Airbus code to Aerosoft as it’s an aerosoft product. He explained this, and was emphatic about it. I spoke to Torsten at length, and he stated that Tollis have projects lined up for X-Plane for at least, the next 2 years.  If diversification was a good idea, we would have MSFS developers include X-Plane and DCS in their development schedule. Successful developers know what they’re doing. Especially when they’ve been around long enough to know how to run their business. 

Interesting. I didn't know that Toliss was a one man band. It's been five years since I used a Toliis plane. What improvements have been made to its visuals? From what I remember it was pretty crude when compared to the Fenix.

This sounds like a perfect match. Having just purchased the A330neo from Toliss, and also owning their A320 and A340, it is clear that their biggest strength lies in systems development. Unfortunately, the visual modeling leaves a lot to be desired and that’s exactly where Aerosoft could step in and add real value.

16 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Interesting. I didn't know that Toliss was a one man band. It's been five years since I used a Toliis plane. What improvements have been made to its visuals? From what I remember it was pretty crude when compared to the Fenix.

From what I gathered, he outsources the 3D model and textures. I’m not sure if Toliss is a team or one person, but Torsten is the man representing Toliss. 

10 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

This reminds me of Heatblur from DCS World. Their first MSFS add-on was a collaboration with India Echo Foxtrot. And then for their next add-on, Heatblur decided to do it all themselves, without collaboration (Heatblur misf have also made enough in sales on their first add-on, to convince themselves it was worth their time to work on a second add-on for MSFS).

I guess we will see where Toliss heads, but it's always smart to diversify, especially when the MSFS market is so much more lucrative.

I also mistakenly believed that the pending HeatBlur F-16A was a solo operation. However, it's been openly announced that it's yet another collab with India Foxt Echo, just like their MSFS F-14.

Im not super impressed with IFE's flight models, but the synergy seems to be good enough for them to carry on together.  In any case, HB's plate is overflowing with DCSW add-ons in dev, and frankly, I'd rather they focus there.

Kinda similar to this Toliss/Aerosoft collab, it could turn out to play to both partners strengths and be a success for all of us.

9 hours ago, The Flight Level said:

Aerosoft/Toliss will take a significant chunk of A340 sales from Ini given the depth of Toliss systems in XP. Many are saying their version will be superior given past history.

Interesting! I know Toliss systems are very well regarded (even Airbus uses them).

But I didn't realize iniBuilds isn't up to par...? I thought the furor over the 350 was mainly about coding issues rather than systems fidelity? Im not an Airbus guy, so IDK...

 

13 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I wonder if this is Toliss's first step into the MSFS market. From the Navigraph survey and SteamDB numbers, the MSFS market dwarfs the XP 12 market, especially when you factor in tne XBox market. 

This reminds me of Heatblur from DCS World. Their first MSFS add-on was a collaboration with India Echo Foxtrot. And then for their next add-on, Heatblur decided to do it all themselves, without collaboration (Heatblur misf have also made enough in sales on their first add-on, to convince themselves it was worth their time to work on a second add-on for MSFS).

I guess we will see where Toliss heads, but it's always smart to diversify, especially when the MSFS market is so much more lucrative.

 

Unlike a certain (and rather expected) defensive response to your post 🙂, actually reading what you wrote, you are wondering if this is a one-and-done or first of many for Toliss in the MSFS space right. And good question.. will of course depend on how users respond when this finally comes out, but safe to assume it will be positive, especially given its an A340.

Other developers who used to develop only for other sim platform(s) obviously found great success in transitioning to develop for MSFS (iniBuilds, A2A, FSL, etc being some of the many examples)... So I'd think this Toliss/Aerosoft venture will pan out the same, given as you say the MSFS market is far bigger and more lucrative, especially with capabilities of 2024. Whether Toliss transitions to develop *exclusively* for MSFS like iniBuilds/PMDG/FSL/A2A/etc in the future remains to be seen, highly doubtful but who knows what market forces can do hehe.

If as they said Aerosoft is only doing the visual work and publishing support while Toliss focuses on the systems, flight model, avionics, etc then this surely sounds like a winner. Good to have all the major developers now in the MSFS space, whether exclusively or not 🙂

We finally have A340s entering the MSFS scene, and two of them. Bring them all on and more!

 

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21 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

 

Unlike a certain (and rather expected) defensive response to your post 🙂, actually reading what you wrote, you are wondering if this is a one-and-done or first of many for Toliss in the MSFS space right. And good question.. will of course depend on how users respond when this finally comes out, but safe to assume it will be positive, especially given its an A340.

Thank you!  100% agree with you 😄

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