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India plane crash!

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  • I presume you were referring to my posts there as I seem to be the only person in this thread disputing your claim the aircraft was tankering with 125,000 litres of fuel on board ? What I’m sayin

  • OK, hands up you got me, I’m actually a 15 year old flight simmer pretending to be an airline pilot, however I do have a copy of of the quality wings 787 for P3D

  • Ray Proudfoot
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    Jon made an accurate statement since he is a pilot of the 787 and knows what is possible and what isn’t. He clearly stated why tankering wasn’t made for the flight in his reply which you seem to have

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On Pprune there’s a lot of chatter about slat / flap settings.

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25 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

On Pprune there’s a lot of chatter about slat / flap settings.

Yes, very little - if any at all - flaps visible in the video...

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First thing I saw as well, flaps appear to be up but it is very difficult to tell from that angle.  The loss of contact would imply the plane lost power after takeoff but it is all speculation at this point...

It looks like a CFIT, almost looks like the plane is at a landing angle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t

 

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That pitch angle reminded me of the Airbus A320 that crashed into trees just past the end of the runway during a test flight.

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The 23 runway at VAAH is 11,500ft long. More than enough for the heaviest to takeoff successfully.

The Flightradar24 map suggests full length wasn’t used but that is yet to be confirmed.

On the video you can see the aircraft pitching up but without correct slats/ flap setting it won’t have enough airflow over the upper wing to generate lift.

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Very sad to read this this morning.😔

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BBC Verify stated the aircraft “moved to the end of the runway”.

From the FR24 image shown there is clearly more runway to the NE so I fail to understand their comment. It suggests the full runway was not used as backtracking would be required.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8xgz1905ddt

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I wonder if the flaps got retracted too early?

 

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37 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

On the video you can see the aircraft pitching up but without correct slats/ flap setting it won’t have enough airflow over the upper wing to generate lift.

They made it to ~400ft AGL, which seems unlikely if flaps were incorrectly set for takeoff. It looks like the RAT might have been deployed (engine failure) and there was very little engine noise in the video - which seems unusual.

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18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

BBC Verify stated the aircraft “moved to the end of the runway”.

From the FR24 image shown there is clearly more runway to the NE so I fail to understand their comment. It suggests the full runway was not used as backtracking would be required.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8xgz1905ddt

That is an interesting observation, Ray. I did notice that diagram, but I just assumed that they had made a mistake with respect to the take off position.

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2 minutes ago, Luke said:

They made it to ~400ft AGL, which seems unlikely if flaps were incorrectly set for takeoff. It looks like the RAT might have been deployed (engine failure) and there was very little engine noise in the video - which seems unusual.

RAT has been mentioned on Pprune. Not something I’m familiar with. Would that be deployed automatically on an engine fail? It was one of the earlier deliveries.

 

2 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

That is an interesting observation, Ray. I did notice that diagram, but I just assumed that they had made a mistake with respect to the take off position.

FR24 does behave strangely at times but does generally show the aircraft taxi routing as it’s at slow speed.

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This is a free article to read. It clearly shows the taxiway doesn’t extend to the end of the runway. Was backtracking used?

If that graphic is accurate it rotated very close to the end of the runway.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1d0a5ad736d47c31

Ray (Cheshire, England).

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First saw the video, thought it was landing but found it odd no flaps!

Of course we're all just speculating, but it could certainly be the case that the pilots simply forgot to set takeoff flaps.

If you watch shows like Air Disasters then you've seen that this kind of thing has happened a number of times before.  You'd think that checklists and 2 people verifying everything would prevent mistakes, and most often they do, but it only takes a second of distraction and a missed checklist item to doom a flight.

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