5 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

No I don’t think you hijacked the thread but it was hijacked all right and the title changed. I think that it was a wrong manipulation of a mod  but I would like to be sure. You know that any forum account is a vulnerable animal... 

Most likely some tired 😴 (or half drunk 🍺) mod made a simple mistake.

7 hours ago, LHookins said:

My simming is generally flying period aircraft in period conditions.  Before the days of glass cockpits and GPS.  So I prefer steam gauges even if the virtual aircraft is modern.

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Bush flying (simming) can be leisure or commercial. I love both. But for the later, I have increasingly come to think that modern glass equipments make the activity more realistic, closer to what it is now.  Something which surprised me is that Milviz put steam in their Porter. 

Another facet to the issue is with warbirds. A2A had the great idea to put a civilian cockpit (non glass, steam) in the P-51. I was a little shocked looking at it from my P-40 cockpit, but I bought it anyway rather than the model with the wartime cockpit . Never regretted it. The civ is my favorite fast/high altitude cruiser.  Would I be shocked if they put glass in it. Yes. Would I buy it. Yes.

Edited August 5, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

Thank you @Ray Proudfoot

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

modern glass equipments make the activity more realistic, closer to what it is now.

That's why I specified period conditions. 🙂  I'm pitting my virtual skills against those pilots' real ones by flying in the same conditions they did.  What did they go through?  Can I do what they did? What was it like?  Now days I can read some pilot's account of a flight and relate to it better because I've experienced the same in the sim.

Some of these flights are near impossible the first time without a GPS, and the real pilots flew with more experienced ones on these kinds of trips until they learned the terrain.  If you've ever wondered how someone can possibly land at the wrong airport, you'll find out when you get rid of the GPS.

I did plenty of virtual commercial bush flying in the Goose in Alaska with FSEconomy. I was still using a GPS in those days but had already stopped using the autopilot.

I've been criticized for flying without using the autopilot because it's not realistic.  Yeah yeah.

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2 hours ago, LHookins said:

I've been criticized for flying without using the autopilot because it's not realistic.

Obnoxious idiots...

Trying to sort out the issues. Not a pilot here, just a simmer thinking aloud. I see four distinct issues in this thread including your last post, Larry. I stay  in a bush type of flying (leisure with Cub-class of aircraft or commercial with Porter-class turboprops) :

1/ a screen centralising all the data vs. individual steam gauges.

My own simmer experience with the C182 and Comanche enhanced with the F1 GTN 750 in the boonies leads me to believe that a well organized all- in-one screen couldn't be bad. The only thing is that the mouse is more awkward to use than a touch screen. Thats why I wish that Asobo would allow to export their Garmin to tablets.

2/  Navigation i.e. moving map vs pilotage.  I suppose that you can deactivate the moving map in the screen (or zooming it out so much it becomes meaningless) and do your pilotage as you would do it with a regular cockpit. Paper maps, chronometer and manual computer. 

3/ Autopilot. Same, you can fly glass without activating it. As Palmer says in the video, it is still handy when you want to take photos (or, for us, screenshots) . And if you fly pilotage, I admire you to do your cooking with map, manual computer, pencils and stuff  on one hand and  keeping the aircraft straight and level with the other. Better have an aircraft which trims well 😁.

4/ Diverse data : descent profile, pressure altitude, fuel consumption and so on and so forth My GTN spares me  all this computation by hand or rather with a small calculator outside the sim.  Why to do it manually when the computer does it much better than you. And to keep on topic why not have it on the all-in-one screen.

38 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Why to do it manually when the computer does it much better than you.

Oh, you know.  To learn how.  To prove that I can.  To challenge myself.  To experience what the early pilots went through.  Or the same reason people climb a mountain:  "Because it's there."

I remember how much trouble I had when I was first learning to tune the radios manually while hand flying and maintaining a coordinated climbing turn.  Now it is second nature.

I don't expect everyone to fly the same way I do.  Heck, I don't expect ANY simmer to do this.  It's just how I prefer to fly.

Hook

I prefer steam because I feel I learn better with it. With glass, it’s like learning to drive in an automatic car. You first learn manual and when you can handle that well, you jump into automatic. I like glass, but only in some situations, I mostly avoid it.

I found out over the years that the less I relied on automation, the more interesting flying became.  One reason I like the A2A Piper J3 Cub is the somewhat sparse instrument panel:  it has exactly what you need and no more.  Having a GTN 750 just isn't the "Cub experience."

Hook

7 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Oh, you know.  To learn how.  To prove that I can.  To challenge myself.  To experience what the early pilots went through.  Or the same reason people climb a mountain:  "Because it's there."

I remember how much trouble I had when I was first learning to tune the radios manually while hand flying and maintaining a coordinated climbing turn.  Now it is second nature.

I don't expect everyone to fly the same way I do.  Heck, I don't expect ANY simmer to do this.  It's just how I prefer to fly.

Hook

I agree. You do it to prove you can do it. Then after awhile you let the machine do it because the fun was in learning and achieving. 

Just now, Dominique_K said:

I agree. You do it to prove you can do it. Then after awhile you let the machine do it because the fun was in learning and achieving.

And practicing.  I figure every minute I'm on autopilot is a minute I'm not learning and practicing flying. 😄 

When I first started with FSX I was on autopilot whenever I was more than 50 feet off the ground, and all navigation was Direct-To on the GPS.  As the years passed I started adding more and more complexity to my simming and removing more and more automation.  I like the complexity and the challenge.  

I weaned myself off the autopilot by first using only altitude hold, and eventually learned to trim the aircraft proper and quit using autopilot altogether. 

For the GPS, first I started planning my flights on skyvector.com to avoid restricted airspace, then flying VOR to VOR but still on the GPS, then flying VOR by tuning radios, eventually learning and practicing pure pilotage and dead reckoning with occasional use of VOR.  At this point I still used the GPS for situational awareness, but not navigation, and a couple of years ago I stopped using it for that as well.  And landed at the wrong airport a few times. 🙂 

I like steam gauges because I can read them easier and faster.

In a real aircraft I might want to take advantage of every modern convenience, including synthetic vision and an autopilot, but this is a simulator.

Hook

19 minutes ago, Darcanlos said:

I prefer steam because I feel I learn better with it. With glass, it’s like learning to drive in an automatic car. You first learn manual and when you can handle that well, you jump into automatic. I like glass, but only in some situations, I mostly avoid it.

An analogy  that resonates with me. In France, most of the people drive with a manual transmission. « Real » drivers drive manual 😄.  I learnt that way and drove that way.  Then, I went to work to the US for a few years.  I had to buy an automatic car.  Since then all the cars I’ve bought were automatic. I love it. My SUV broke last week and during its time in the shop I had to rent a car. A manual . Can’t way to get my automatic back. 

Edited August 5, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

Overkill galore. I read once "I fly the aircraft, not the other way around". 

And this relating to flying modern jet aircraft MUCH bigger then a 'bush plane' : "An aviator does not need a computer to know how to fly."

 

 

 

Something else to ponder, all of this advanced new panel technology is being installed right next to or above....a control to manually regulate the fuel to air mixture 🤯

13 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Something else to ponder, all of this advanced new panel technology is being installed right next to or above....a control to manually regulate the fuel to air mixture 🤯

 Nobody ever tried to design an electronic regulated  fuel injection in a piston engine  ?

4 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Nobody ever tried to design an electronic regulated  fuel injection in a piston engine  ?

The Icon A5 has one. 😄 The Savage Cub does not have a mixture control.  Not sure about the other aircraft in MSFS.

Hook

Edited August 5, 20205 yr by LHookins