To me flying is mental therapy from an insane world, it's ASMR flying, I don't take drugs, I drink very little, I don't have lots but give me the sense of flying and I'm be happy.

I still use prepar3d v5 and it runs great, i will still use it after FS 2020.I go 100% for FS when pmdg comes out with their 737ng3.Of course i will buy FS but just use it for flying around and perhaps a big trip to the city i love most in the world.Los Angeles

I feel the same. I've stopped simming for a while, recently MSFS gave me a nice desire to return and to continue the Private Pilot course.

I've literally hoped for a couple of decades now, that at some point in my lifetime flightsim worlds will look "real". 

ie: when I look around outside the virtual cockpit whether on the airport tarmac or up in the air at any altitude - I see the real world - not the cartoonish style of geography we've been seeing for decades - although the release of ORBX True Earth at least  helped (but TE regions require huge volumes of SSD space which for my mind ends up counteracting the positive side of real looking geography). Could you imagine having the entire world terrain rendered in TE and the sheer volume of disk space required in your PC?

And once MSFS & Asobo spilled the beans last year - my reaction was "YES at Last !" As for disk space - it would seem MFS and Asobo have resolved the issue of real looking world and the disk space required.

I'm  optimistic that it will deliver considering all that has been revealed thus far.

I'm also not expecting it to be perfect on release either. Like all new products, there are always release issues. But in time, I'm certain they will be resolved.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by XCLTM3

3 hours ago, RamonB said:

Today, I did some (4-5 hour) island hopping in the Caribbean with P3D v5 + full addons.
It was gorgeous, I see no reason to abandon it!

Hold on..trust me hold on. 

4 hours ago, B777ER said:

Seems like the P3D forum here is starting to slow down and am starting to notice the MSF forum picking up steam. I have a feeling those trends will likely continue with the exception of a short period of time when 5.1 is released for P3D. I have a feeling as more 3PD's release stuff for MSF, the conversion to it will increase quite a bit. 

Yes, I expect anytime now, some charming folks from the P3D forum  who will explain us that the best way to get a really smooth flying in FS20 is to tune the frequency of our monitor to the inverse square root of the value of the frame limiter mod FFTF.  

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

4 hours ago, ShawnG said:

It has been...  A. Freaking. Nightmare.   fully two thirds of my addons aren't even ready for p3dv5 yet (and a lot are never going to be, which is another issue) and I'm still installing, testing, fixing incompatibilities, downloading, unpacking files, looking up serials and old emails.

I just completed installation of my addons, as far as being compatible, into Prepar3d5. I own a whole lot of them, too - and can copy every of your words. It can be done and it runs pretty well now (...aside flickering around trees and power lines with EA and a couple of more issues). However, installation with all those credentials to look up, updates overwriting into subdirectories (MFSG are masters of this), manual additions to the scenery library (yes, still a few left) this is extremely time-killing, tedious, and error-prone.

Plus, the unfortunate schism of scenery.cfg vs. add-on.xml making the whole process even more confusing.

This just doesn't fit into 2020 any longer, and it's remarkable that LM obviously doesn't feel any need for action.

And in my eyes, X-Plane with its manually edited scenery_packs.ini where the user has to take care of proper ordering, plus dependencies on countless libraries isn't much better.

Kind regards, Michael

14 hours ago, SKEWR said:

I've stopped using P3D. I've stopped buying addons. I've lost the desire to update 5+ addons (and looking for 5+ reg keys).

 

I'm managing my expectations, and I'm really looking forward to MSFS. I'm not disparaging anyone in P3D or XP11. Heck I might end up back on P3D. For now, can't enjoy...

The same here. I'm back to P3Dv4.5 (v5 had a lot of issues for me) and stopped buying/upgrading v5 addons. Just flying online and enjoying good(!) old v4.5 and waiting for MSFS and then addons I need to fly (PMDG NG3 and a couple of airports I can fly between).

I can't really wait for simmer reviews when a new "shiny" sim is released.

I'm that type of guy that loves good and  "as real as it gets" simulation and beautiful and realistic environment (textures, clouds, etc.).

Cheers!

Well in a few weeks you can all post about the new sim should be good reading. 

4 pages of kids that are bored with their toys, and enjoy telling everyone about it...

Dermot's post is the best so far.

When you are immersed in a sim, eye candy takes 2nd place.. With the sims we have built, we have real pilots bracing themselves in their seats when anticipating touchdown.. Eye candy does not do that, immersion does.

6 hours ago, B777ER said:

Seems like the P3D forum here is starting to slow down and am starting to notice the MSF forum picking up steam. I have a feeling those trends will likely continue with the exception of a short period of time when 5.1 is released for P3D. I have a feeling as more 3PD's release stuff for MSF, the conversion to it will increase quite a bit. 

More people flying instead of writing in the forums for help?

P3D V5 HF2 is a really stable release and I have been using it every other day without any issue.

It doesn´t mean I am not excited about MSFS but P3DV5 will be there for sure. MSFS will be used from the release only for VFR until all my favorite airplanes have made the move to MSFS (Fslabs and MaddogX). 

  

1 hour ago, Wobbie said:

When you are immersed in a sim, eye candy takes 2nd place.. With the sims we have built, we have real pilots bracing themselves in their seats when anticipating touchdown.. Eye candy does not do that, immersion does.

Sure. And you’ve got several pages here of people telling you that they’re no longer feeling that immersion with their current sims — that the magic is gone.

Eye candy is only part of that. Several people have noted how maintaining their sims has become a frustrating chore. That doesn’t really contribute to immersion either, does it? Neither do crashes.

MSFS will not be perfect, especially at launch. But it takes some willful blindness not to understand why reasonable people might be dissatisfied with what’s currently on offer. Spoiler alert: it’s not just about the graphics.

James

Be careful to not overhype yourself. 😄 There will be severe flaws in the beginning. After all, this is the long awaited evolution in simming.

But regarding your base argument: I fully understand.

How often did I want to fly into a location but didn't do it in the end, cause default scenery looks awful and I didn't want to spend an hour getting proper ortho for one or two flights per year. Problem solved with MSFS! 😉

I am also hyped by more authentic scenery, with forests and building patterns where they actually belong. Very important aspect to me.

Then the weather, which adds another layer to the visual experience...

Even if the flight models aren't perfect in the beginning, this is more than enough to keep me hooked.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by tweekz

Same here...

To be honest, the visuals, whilst of course welcome, are not the thing I'm holding out hope for; it's the changes in the way the new sim portrays flight modeling which interests me.

For a very long time in the evolution of FS, and in P3D since it is based on the same ESP system, we've had a flight modeling system which is not that great at simulating subtle and not-so-subtle the nuances of flight. Likewise with XPlane, with its blade element theory flight modeling, all sounds great in theory, but in practice leaves a lot to be desired in believably portraying aerodynamics. 

So I'll be interested to see how the new system can portray asymmetric thrust, asymmetric lift, thrust vectoring, torque rolls, high alpha behaviour, air mass movement, airframe icing effects etc, etc. If it does these well, it will indeed be an advance in flight simulation, whereas if it doesn't manage these things any better, but merely looks prettier, it will be an advance in graphics for sure, but not in not flight simulation. So fingers crossed.

It sure sounded like some of this stuff was an improvement in those presentations Asobo did, but let's just hope that was more than mere hyperbole and actually has some substance. Naturally, before release, it will be the graphics which is the seller, since these are easy to show off, but that's not what has me in anticipation of something better than what we already have.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by Chock