4 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

Yes. This is a serious issue. But I'll probably be too busy enjoying the flying part of this flight simulator to take notice.

Were you captain of the high school debate team? 🤣

14 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

However Asobo seems to be taking the easy way out and just flattening the entire airport.

It's an alpha.

2 minutes ago, tweekz said:

while still in Alpha

You just have no idea about the nature of software development.

They are not going to suddenly implement undulating runways/taxiways/aprons in beta.

5 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Were you captain of the high school debate team? 🤣

I don't quite understand how that relates to the topic discussed.

1 minute ago, MatthewS said:

You just have no idea about the nature of software development.

They are not going to suddenly implement undulating runways/taxiways/aprons in beta.

Oh OK. I thought the public Alpha was there to fix things. Sorry.

1 minute ago, tweekz said:

Oh OK. I thought the public Alpha was there to fix things. Sorry.

Yes, but they have apparently not done any work on this issue, we see no evidence of it anywhere in the video ("undulation" not slope). 

So do you really think they're going to suddenly implement such a major change this late in the alpha?

I very much doubt it, but I'd be very happy if Asobo prove me wrong.

5 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Yes, but they have apparently not done any work on this issue, we see no evidence of it anywhere in the video ("undulation" not slope). 

So do you really think they're going to suddenly implement such a major change this late in the alpha?

I very much doubt it, but I'd be very happy if Asobo prove me wrong.

 

It would be nice to have. But I would not mind if it was provided by an addon dev later on.

I am more interested in a proper flight model, nice scenery, adequate weather simulation and ATC.

37 minutes ago, bonchie said:

I've used Ortho4XP extensively. But at the end of the day, it's not a viable way forward for 95% of simmers to operate.

You have no idea how happy I was to see that MFS was basically "integrating" the same functionality as Ortho4XP into the sim. I'll be very happy to delete my Ortho folder. Half a terabyte is not really "for free".

 

 

I just mentioned Ortho4XP because of its functionality of "smoothing" the mesh in airports, to prevent unnatural "bumps" on runways which are in places with row resolution or low quality terrain mesh, which Asobo could/should use. Ok?

8 minutes ago, tweekz said:

But I would not mind if it was provided by an addon dev later on

I understand add-on devs can completely redo an airport and add whatever undulation they want....  I'm talking about the other 36000+ "generic" airports which will be perfectly flat because Asobo seem to just flatten the entire airport surface (same as P3D/FSX).

 

 

I imagine military bases will be the ones they don't manually edit. Which is fine, as long as they include ones that do have a civilian terminal or parking.

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16 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

I understand add-on devs can completely redo an airport and add whatever undulation they want....  I'm talking about the other 36000+ "generic" airports which will be perfectly flat because Asobo seem to just flatten the entire airport surface (same as P3D/FSX).

 

 

Could you please stop this nonsense? Thanks a lot!

14 hours ago, MatthewS said:

Sorry, but unless you provide evidence that proves I'm wrong then you are also speaking rubbish... I know it's a difficult concept, but there is no evidence of undulating runways/taxiways/aprons for the 36000+ generic airports.  Such a failure on Asobo's part.  A real shame.

You speak as though you have "inside knowledge". I do have an inside view and I can state unequivocally that you are wrong.

53 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Of course they won't, because they can't, they have not implemented undulation of airport surface based on the underlying mesh.

While you are absolutely free to swallow both of your feet by stating your "opinion" please keep in mind that there are others who actually know better. The characteristics of any given runway were generated from published data automatically, not based on underlying mesh, as was stated clearly (albeit with a very heavy French accent) in the latest Discovery video's narration.

1 hour ago, MikeT707 said:

 

I am not trying to get into an argument at all, but it might be important to point out that the original comment is not a complaint. Rather it is valuable feedback by someone not in the Alpha with the hope that this feedback is hopefully received by the MS/Assobo product/development team.

To add, the feedback is not just about blades of grass. It is about visual scale.

Scale is important to any visual depiction and in the case of the picture in question, the large scale of the grass makes the plane and buildings look miniature. Hopefully this would be something that can be and will be refined by the team.

The product so far looks great and almost everyone is really looking forward to it, but it is important to be able to raise issues or concerns. Especially at this point where things are less expensive to fix or refine. 

You said it yourself.

44 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Yes, but they have apparently not done any work on this issue, we see no evidence of it anywhere in the video ("undulation" not slope). 

So do you really think they're going to suddenly implement such a major change this late in the alpha?

I very much doubt it, but I'd be very happy if Asobo prove me wrong.

Flight sims like Xplane have been out for years, yet they are still fixing major flaws that let the simulator down, but a product that is still in Alpha..... it's too late to do anything about it's flaws. To me it looks like your argument is inherently flawed.

It is evident from the Feedback Snapshot that they are still considering creating major features for the game, that may or may not be ready at launch. It has been confirmed that they will be working on the game for years after launch, which means that the beta will not be a hard lock on the feature set. Their goal is to create a long-lasting platform that continuously evolves, and we'll probably not see Microsoft Flight Simulator II for a while.

By all means you should be posting any criticism or feature requests, as those help the team and they are monitoring these forums very closely. But you have to do so in a respectful way, and understand that they are prioritising their huge amount of tasks and that the simulator will never be perfect for everyone.