Some more academic/scientific/pro context:

https://louis.uah.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1083&context=honors-capstones
https://tu-dresden.de/bu/verkehr/ila/ifl/simulatoren/airbus-a320-forschungssimulator?set_language=en
https://www.ijrte.org/wp-content/uploads/papers/v8i2S11/B15900982S1119.pdf
https://www.iea.lth.se/publications/BS-Theses/Full%20document/3019_Hammar_Djerf.pdf
https://www.um.edu.mt/iat/ourequipment/
https://peer.asee.org/development-of-a-virtual-reality-flight-simulator-to-assist-in-the-education-of-aircraft-design-engineers.pdf
https://projectdragonfly.nl/project/simulator/
 

 

Why do they use the old XP10 instead of XP12?

Possibly/probably (?) because:

1. X-Plane 10 ist still a very good simulator
2. Some of the publications are already a bit older
3. In professional/academic/industrial environments things at times don't change this rapidly. E.g. at work, we still used Windows 2000, when people already used XP privately. Or later, at work XP when people already used ... you get the idea.
4. Or all 3 together

Some more examples:

https://www.eku.edu/stem/index-4/aviationsimulator/
https://www.aero.psu.edu/research/facilities-and-labs/rotorcraft-flight-simulator-facilities.aspx
https://avestia.com/CDSR2016_Proceedings/files/paper/126.pdf
https://user.unob.cz/jalovecky/HMI/R2017/Vlastn%C3%AD/Jal_Bys_On_line_Analysis_Simul_XPLANE.pdf
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5673378
https://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12621894/index.pdf
https://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/13/12/585

 

16 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

Possibly/probably (?) because:

1. X-Plane 10 ist still a very good simulator
2. Some of the publications are already a bit older
3. In professional/academic/industrial environments things at times don't change this rapidly. E.g. at work, we still used Windows 2000, when people already used XP privately. Or later, at work XP when people already used ... you get the idea.
4. Or all 3 together

Some more examples:

https://www.eku.edu/stem/index-4/aviationsimulator/
https://www.aero.psu.edu/research/facilities-and-labs/rotorcraft-flight-simulator-facilities.aspx
https://avestia.com/CDSR2016_Proceedings/files/paper/126.pdf
https://user.unob.cz/jalovecky/HMI/R2017/Vlastn%C3%AD/Jal_Bys_On_line_Analysis_Simul_XPLANE.pdf
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5673378
https://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12621894/index.pdf
https://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/13/12/585

 

Impressive. I think XP is top notch for simulating the flight dynamics. Once again we get a confirmation from the field of the professional application. In one of the articles written at the "Mathematical Engineering and Computer Science Department of Pamplona" they stated in their paper: "Pilot training requires both the vehicle model and the world model to perform realistically in every possible scenario that may take place during actual flight. Three of the most commercially used flight simulators are Lockheed Martin’s Prepar3D, RedBird Flight Simulator, and X-Plane 11. Other simulators such as Microsoft Flight Simulator offer better graphics but with a much more degraded physics engine."

Have someone heard about the RedBird simulator? Sounds interesting!

 

Edited October 24, 20232 yr by Franz007

On 10/24/2023 at 8:21 PM, Franz007 said:

I think XP is top notch for simulating the flight dynamics. Once again we get a confirmation from the field of the professional application.

I underlined that word: flight dynamics.
Forgive my curiosity, but do you really think that professional simulators costing hundreds of thousands of dollars exclusively use the flight dynamics of Xplane or MSFS or P3D?
A simulator system like this ( https://resources.flightsafety.com/flight-simulation/ ) ... let's assume for the qualified training of Boeing or Airbus pilots... do you think that the B737-A320s flight dynamics simulated by this system come from Xplane with Zibo737-Toliss A320, or MSFS with PMDG737-Fenix A320 ? 😊

57 minutes ago, efis007 said:

I underlined that word: flight dynamics.
Forgive my curiosity, but do you really think that professional simulators costing hundreds of thousands of dollars exclusively use the flight dynamics of Xplane or MSFS or P3D?
A simulator system like this ( https://resources.flightsafety.com/flight-simulation/ ) ... let's assume for the qualified training of Boeing or Airbus pilots... do you think that the B737-A320s flight dynamics simulated by this system come from Xplane with Zibo737-Toliss A320, or MSFS with PMDG737-Fenix A320 ? 😊

No one talked about Boeing or Airbus. Read the text: “We developed a full-featured HIL solution of a commercial UAV-VTOL (Marvin aircraft, manufactured by FuVeX). The aircraft was modeled on X-Plane.“

And we know that they already used XP to calculate the flight behaviour of (other) aircrafts that had been produced and sold in real.

I seriously struggle to understand the background of your question.

It wasn't a criticism.
You wrote "I think XP is top-notch for simulating flight dynamics" (plural).
That comment, written in that way, is misleading and deceptive.
If you mention "flight dynamics" without ever specifying which airplane you are referring to, the FDE's of all airplanes (including airliners) will be implied in the comment.

So I asked a simple question: Do you believe that hundreds of thousands of dollar professional simulators from Boeing or Airbus use "Xplane flight dynamics" to accurately simulate the aerodynamic behavior of all the airliners produced by these companies?
The professional simulators where airline pilots are trained to fly B737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787... which FDE's are using those hundreds of thousands of dollars simulators?
Do they use the flight dynamics of the Zibo737 contained in a small ACF file of a few megabytes made with Plane Maker?
Or do they use the FlightFactor 757-767 flight dynamics contained within a small ACF file of a few megabytes made with Plane Maker?

It's a simple question, requiring a simple answer: "Yes" or "No." 

 

Here we go again.

51 minutes ago, efis007 said:

: Do you believe that hundreds of thousands of dollar professional simulators from Boeing or Airbus use "Xplane flight dynamics" to accurately simulate the aerodynamic behavior of all the airliners produced by these companies?

aiui several of their subsidiaries are expecting to. There have been several job offerings open over the last few years to do exactly that. I wouldn't expect to see more than that because NDAs.

54 minutes ago, efis007 said:

Do they use the flight dynamics of the Zibo737

Well, the "flight dynamics of the Zibo737" is "Xplane flight dynamics".

56 minutes ago, efis007 said:

contained within a small ACF

the ACF doesn't contain much in the way of "flight dynamics", its just a text file, you can open it with notepad.

The airfoils do tho.

The acf contains the airframe geometry, fuel tank placements an capacities, engine parameters and a load of other things that "theoretically" should be set to their real world values to make the aircraft fly like it will in the real world , plus the panel items at the end.

This is why projects like the BETA VTOL are so exciting, not even those "hundreds of thousands simulators" (actually closer 100s of millions, don't forget it costs like $20,000 just to start the engines on an average airliner) have gotten the feedback cycle xplane is now getting, all they do is take the data logged from something like:

and stick it in tables.

1 hour ago, efis007 said:

professional

You are getting confused on this word. Original comment was not referring to the level D/FDE crowd. It was referring to being used to design and eventually build actual aircraft. Very much not a 'game' in this context, ergo 'professional'.

But since you've gone there, a BET/distributed-force flight model could indeed be tuned to operate on the level D...level. Is default XP there right now? No. But it is far ahead of P3D/Asobo in that regard.

16 hours ago, efis007 said:

It wasn't a criticism.
You wrote "I think XP is top-notch for simulating flight dynamics" (plural).
That comment, written in that way, is misleading and deceptive.
If you mention "flight dynamics" without ever specifying which airplane you are referring to, the FDE's of all airplanes (including airliners) will be implied in the comment.

So I asked a simple question: Do you believe that hundreds of thousands of dollar professional simulators from Boeing or Airbus use "Xplane flight dynamics" to accurately simulate the aerodynamic behavior of all the airliners produced by these companies?
The professional simulators where airline pilots are trained to fly B737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787... which FDE's are using those hundreds of thousands of dollars simulators?
Do they use the flight dynamics of the Zibo737 contained in a small ACF file of a few megabytes made with Plane Maker?
Or do they use the FlightFactor 757-767 flight dynamics contained within a small ACF file of a few megabytes made with Plane Maker?

It's a simple question, requiring a simple answer: "Yes" or "No." 

 

I think you are the only one who didn't understand my comment and put it in relation to Boeing and Airbus. XP's flightmodel is top-notch amount all desktop flight-simulators. And it allows application in the professional market, such as simulating the shape of future aircraft's. I was not talking about level-D sims that use look at tables. I am sorry if that wasn't clear for you.

On 10/24/2023 at 8:21 PM, Franz007 said:

Impressive. I think XP is top notch for simulating the flight dynamics. Once again we get a confirmation from the field of the professional application. In one of the articles written at the "Mathematical Engineering and Computer Science Department of Pamplona" they stated in their paper: "Pilot training requires both the vehicle model and the world model to perform realistically in every possible scenario that may take place during actual flight. Three of the most commercially used flight simulators are Lockheed Martin’s Prepar3D, RedBird Flight Simulator, and X-Plane 11. Other simulators such as Microsoft Flight Simulator offer better graphics but with a much more degraded physics engine."

Have someone heard about the RedBird simulator? Sounds interesting!

https://simulators.redbirdflight.com/products