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MS/Asobo and opening Weather / Camera SDK to 3rd Parties

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13 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I'm convinced because even with the limitations, those clouds, paired with the lighting engine have made my jaw drop many times. We had to start somewhere and I think this was a good start.

I think my chief complaint having to do w/ the low voxel density is you end up with a certain sameness everywhere.  Yes of course the shapes are different always which is great, IOW they're doing what may be about as good as it can get at this resolution.  As hardware improves or as Asobo adds a slider to give users access to higher resolution clouds such that when able to process them more detail becomes apparent, as in this photo of a RW cloud which you can discern an opacity and with it higher contrast lighting.  We'll get there some day and I agree it seems we're on the right path but I feel we really won't get the kind of resolution to afford very distinct types of clouds until the hardware improves:

F4520046-FE04-4-EBB-BA76-DE12-B6-C43375.

 

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

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2 hours ago, Noel said:

to give users access to higher resolution clouds

and better colourisation like in your photo. not those grey volcanic ash clumps. and while we are at it: brightness fluctuation as you fly in and out of clouds, and to top it off: city lights lighting clouds up from underneath at night and ..... and ..... and.

Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

26 minutes ago, turbomax said:

brightness fluctuation as you fly in and out of clouds, and to top it off: city lights lighting clouds up from underneath at night and ..... and ..... and

Wait, aren't those things in MSFS already? I know for a fact that clouds are lit up by light pollution.

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2 hours ago, Krakin said:

aren't those things in MSFS already?

show us!

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

4 hours ago, turbomax said:

and better colourisation like in your photo. not those grey volcanic ash clumps. and while we are at it: brightness fluctuation as you fly in and out of clouds, and to top it off: city lights lighting clouds up from underneath at night and ..... and ..... and.

This is an MSFS screenshot posted (not by me) on Sim-Outhouse, I don't think it's much different from the one posted by Noel. Is this what you call grey volcanic ash clumps? I think this looks amazing.

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Screenshot link: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/120679-Screenshots/page122

Alvega

CPU: AMD 7800X3D | COOLER: Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240L Core ARGB | GPU: RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB OC | Mobo: ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI |
RAM: 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MHz PC5-48000 2x16GB CL36 | SSDs: WD Black SN770 2TB NVMe SSD (WIN11), WD Black SN850X SSD 2 TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe (MSFS), Crucial MX500 2TB (Other stuff) | CASE: Forgeon Arcanite ARGB Mesh Tower ATX White | Power Supply: Forgeon Bolt PSU 850W 80+ Gold Full Modular White 

6 minutes ago, Alvega said:

This is an MSFS screenshot posted (not by me) on Sim-Outhouse, I don't think it's much different from the one posted by Noel. Is this what you call grey volcanic ash clumps? I think this looks amazing.

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Screenshot link: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/120679-Screenshots/page122

That's done in post. Guy even says "Some skies are edited with Luminar", Luminar being a photo editor.

Edited by Sethos

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3 minutes ago, Sethos said:

That's a photoshop.

I think so too. Never ever is this a original MSFS screenshot. Take a look at the Cirrus clouds. This kind of rendition is not possible in MSFS.

Patric

1 minute ago, pscharff said:

I think so too. Never ever is this a original MSFS screenshot. Take a look at the Cirrus clouds. This kind of rendition is not possible in MSFS.

Patric

Dunno, I've seen similar in my sim. I didn't think someone would post photoshoped screenshots without saying it's photoshop, but who knows. Someone ask him, lol. 

Alvega

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8 minutes ago, Alvega said:

Dunno, I've seen similar in my sim. I didn't think someone would post photoshoped screenshots without saying it's photoshop, but who knows. Someone ask him, lol. 

That is 100% an edited photo. Those clouds do not exist in MSFS and it's almost painfully obvious that it's a real picture added in post. You can even see the blurring and smearing along the edges of the MSFS objects where the blending is done.

Plus, it's not even a discussion considering the guy said it was done with a photo editor.

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6 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Plus, it's not even a discussion considering the guy said it was done with a photo editor.

Ok then, I didn't see him say that. 

Alvega

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RAM: 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MHz PC5-48000 2x16GB CL36 | SSDs: WD Black SN770 2TB NVMe SSD (WIN11), WD Black SN850X SSD 2 TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe (MSFS), Crucial MX500 2TB (Other stuff) | CASE: Forgeon Arcanite ARGB Mesh Tower ATX White | Power Supply: Forgeon Bolt PSU 850W 80+ Gold Full Modular White 

4 hours ago, Alvega said:

Is this what you call grey volcanic ash clumps?

this, non photoshopped. 

our friends over at the other simulator will gladly provide more of these if you ask nicely. 😊

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https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poll-time-please-no-more-than-5-things-you-want-the-sim-fixed-this-year-in-2022-just-5/506090

Edited by turbomax

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

58 minutes ago, turbomax said:

this, non photoshopped. 

our friends over at the other simulator will gladly provide more of these if you ask nicely. 😊

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https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poll-time-please-no-more-than-5-things-you-want-the-sim-fixed-this-year-in-2022-just-5/506090

I haven't seen these types of volcanic ash clouds for a while now. And not just when I use MSFS, I don't see it when others live stream MSFS too.  Asobo has largely fixed this issue.

There may be a few instances of these volcanic ash looking clouds, but it's far and few, IMO.

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1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

There may be a few instances of these volcanic ash looking clouds, but it's far and few,

could be, and perhaps this image was taken over Mount Aetna or Vesuvio 😊

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

8 hours ago, Alvega said:

This is an MSFS screenshot posted (not by me) on Sim-Outhouse, I don't think it's much different from the one posted by Noel. Is this what you call grey volcanic ash clumps? I think this looks amazing.

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Screenshot link: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/120679-Screenshots/page122

You and me wish!  Here's an MSFS screenshot posted here today by me from yesterday's flight, close up enough to see just how low density the voxels in this rendering truly are.  It's a start but has a ways to go.

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Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I haven't seen these types of volcanic ash clouds for a while now. And not just when I use MSFS, I don't see it when others live stream MSFS too.  Asobo has largely fixed this issue.

There may be a few instances of these volcanic ash looking clouds, but it's far and few, IMO.

I agree strongly re ash clouds.  I think Asobo has done a spectacular job with what they have to work with, i.e. the low density voxel based rendering, and once again I think this is why we don't have the opacity to reflect high contrast so well like you see in photos of RW cloud structures.  I wonder how much Asobo's perception like many here of how much headroom they have to access is influenced by frame rate prioritization.  I say this because when I had my 2070 Super it was only clouds going from High to Ultra that would ever stress it post SU5.  Now it's common for me to see GPU loads around 55% no matter where I am in any kind of weather.   So now with a 3y/o GPU it's coasting when it could be put to work w/ higher resolution cloud voxels.  Others who are bent on high frame rates will appear to have no headroom for increased cloud resolution and I wonder how much that influences Asobo to NOT come up with a density slider.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

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