Looking at the video from Singapore with the on screen CPU load displayed, I got really exited as I have never seen a game that spreads the load over the cores like that. 

That really feels next gen as much as the eye candy to me. Look in this thread:

That makes my wait for the Zen 3 to get released feel even more like the correct choice. I still sit on an Intel 4790k that has served me well even though it's silly old 🙂 The reason it has survived that long is that I was initially waiting for Intel to get the 10nm act together. But amazingly they still have not even though the 14nm CPUs where supposed to die in 2016. And then AMD got the Zen 2 swooping in stealing market shares like crazy in the performance segment that Intel has dominated for 14 years. So then I thought that if I have waited that long I might as well wait for the Zen 3 (the 7nm+ Ryzen 4000 desktop series CPU coming end of this year). My RTX 2080 is what has made the wait possible but now it hurts! 🙂

Look at the chart of AMD vs Intel desktop CPU market shares below. Pretty easy to see when the Core 2 Duo arrived and robbed the throne from the Athlons - and when the AMD Zen CPUs arrived that are about the reclaim it any month now... When the Zen 3 arrives this fall I am 100% sure that they will pass Intel with their desperate attempts to get their 10nm CPUs to work after having tried for 5 years... A Zen 3 with 16 cores and higher IPC than the Intels really feels like the choice for MSFS that will be "king of the hill".

Thats what happens when you get fat and happy. The desperate Intel attempt of squeezing water out of a stone with the 14nm Comet Lakes is still on par with the Zen 2 in performance and the Ryzens top the "nerd sales charts" even after it got released. And the Zen 3 looks like it's going to raise the bar quite some compared to the Zen 2. Heavily single threaded games is the only domain where Intel has been able to claim a marginal win since the Zen 2 arrived. And the only reason that AMD is not above Intel already is that corporate customers are slower than the enthusiasts to react. Many coroporate customers still think that Intel makes the best CPUs and AMD is for budget customers.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by mazex

I'm also still using a 4790K and a 1070 but will get a 3080 TI (or big Navi?) and either the new Intel or AMD CPU's when available.  Right now, I'm also leaning toward AMD as it seems that Intel, at least for now, continues to lag behind.

10 minutes ago, ricka47 said:

I'm also still using a 4790K and a 1070 but will get a 3080 TI (or big Navi?) and either the new Intel or AMD CPU's when available.  Right now, I'm also leaning toward AMD as it seems that Intel, at least for now, continues to lag behind.

And don't forget the price difference.

I thought that amd never even had cards to compete at the very top?

Part of the key is that you have descent memory too.  P3D v5 requirements specifies 2666 mhz memory speed.  I've got 1666 with a 1070, but it's still very flyable.  So, the 1070 is loaded up with as much information as the  cpu can deliver to it.  

Also look at the level 3 cache. I heard from a respected dev that, this will help in the future In terms of stutters etc.... 

I bought another 16 Gb of 3200 RAM just to hold me over until the new hardware releases. Considering the time it usually takes to properly enter the channels, I’d say about Feb. next year will be the time to pull the trigger on a new system.

Faster CPU clock speed will almost always give you the best results in gaming - core count isn't everything.

23 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

I thought that amd never even had cards to compete at the very top?

That was "then" and this is "now."  At least for the balance of 2020 and probably next year as well, AMD CPU's may be ahead of Intel in many areas.

43 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

I thought that amd never even had cards to compete at the very top?

Before the Zen 2 that was true - but things change fast when the king of the hill gets fat 🙂

For CPUs I would say that most consider AMD the leaders now since the Zen 2. But after 14 years of Intel dominance people forget that in the early 2000s every gamer with any respect used an AMD Athlon. The Pentium 4 with it's deep piplines where just threading more and more water as they tweaked the clock frequency to look good. Then Intel released the Core 2 Duo and in a whiff everyone had intels. Look at 2005-2006 in the chart above when the Core 2 Duo arrived. And then Intel really got it right with the Sandy Bridge (the Core 2000-series). It really crushed AMDs equivalent offerings and AMD was delegated to the budget segment for many years.

And regarding GPUs - in those days ATI did the best graphics cards for a long time with their Radeons. ATI was bought by AMD so the AMD graphics division is really the old ATI gang...

I think that most hardware nerds agree that in the CPU domain - the Zen 3 will be the king of the hill by the end of 2020 . Regarding GPUs the AMD Big Navi GPU could be better, or on par, with the Nvidia 3000 series... Time will tell but it looks like a gloves off fight 🙂

The thing with hardware is there there is almost no brand loyalty. The day after the final specs for the Zen 2 where clear - the top nerd price comparison site in Sweden sorted by popularity was filled with Ryzen 3000s in the top positions. And for over 10 years the top AMD CPU used to be on position 5-6 and only because of a low price. Looking today the top 3 positions are Ryzen 3000s - with the Intel i9 10900k on the fourth place. When the Ryzen 4000s arrive Intel will end up with their top CPU on position 7-10 I guess. Like AMD just two years ago. But if you go to a corporate sales site you will only find Intel equipped computers in the top pages.

I keep a computer history log where the AMDs where strong in the early 2000s 🙂

1982-xx ZX Spectrum 3.5 MHz, 48kb RAM, NA                                
1985-xx Intel 286-12 Mhz, 512kb RAM, EGA                                 
1989-xx Intel 386Dx-33 Mhz, 1Mb RAM, 1Mb SVGA                          
1992-xx Intel 486Dx-50 Mhz, 2Mb RAM, Trio64 LB
1994-xx Intel Pentium 75 Mhz, 4Mb RAM, Matrox Millenium I
1995-xx Intel Pentium 120 Mhz, 8Mb RAM, Matrox Millenium I
1996-xx Intel Pentium 166MMX, 16Mb RAM, Matrox Millenium I / 3dfx Voodoo
1999-xx Intel Pentium 2 400Mhz, 64Mb RAM, ATI Rage Pro / SLI 2x Voodoo 2
2001-04 AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33 Ghz - Geforce 3 64Mb - Asus A7M266 Motherboard - 512Mb PC2100 DDR
2004-01 AMD Athlon XP2000+/133 - Radeon 9800Pro - Asus A7N8X 1.07 agressive - 
2004-01 AMD Athlon XP3000+/400 - Radeon 9800Pro - Asus A7N8X 1.04 Uber v. 2 agressive - single 512 Samsung at 200 sync:
2007-01 Intel Core2Duo [email protected] - Geforce 8800GTX - Asus Striker Extreme - 2xCorsair 800Mhz CAS4
2009-04 Intel Core2Duo [email protected] - Geforce GTX 275 - Gigabyte GA-EP45C-DS3R -  - 2xCorsair 800Mhz CAS4
2011-05 Intel Core2Duo [email protected] - Geforce GTX 580 (270.61) - Gigabyte GA-EP45C-DS3R - 4xCorsair 800Mhz CAS4
2016-08 Intel Core i7 4790k 4.0Ghz @ 4.4Ghz - Geforce GTX 970 - Asus Z97-A - 2 x Corsair 8Gb 800Mhz DDR3
2018-11 Intel Core i7 4790k 4.0Ghz @ 4.4Ghz - Geforce RTX 2080 - Asus Z97-A - 2 x Corsair 8Gb 800Mhz DDR3

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by mazex

16 minutes ago, highflyer2020 said:

Faster CPU clock speed will almost always give you the best results in gaming - core count isn't everything.

MSFS might change that with its use every core strategy. 

11 minutes ago, mazex said:

Before the Zen 2 that was true - but things change fast when the king of the hill gets fat 🙂

For CPUs I would say that most consider AMD the leaders now since the Zen 2. But after 14 years of Intel dominance people forget that in the early 2000s every gamer with any respect used an AMD Athlon. The Pentium 4 with it's deep pipelines where just threading more and more water as they tweaked the clock frequency to look good. Then Intel released the Core 2 Duo and in a whiff everyone had intels. Look at 2005-2006 in the chart above when the Core 2 Duo arrived. And then Intel really got it right with the Sandy Bridge (the Core 2000-series). It really crushed AMDs equivalent offerings and AMD was relegated to the budget segment for many years.

I have been using PCs since January 1992, and they have been mostly Intel CPUs apart from the following:-

• May 1993-August 1994   Cyrix 486DLC-40Mhz (upgraded my Intel 386SX-25Mhz system; the first one I ever had)
• April 2001-April 2004   AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.2Ghz
• April 2004-October 2008   AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2Ghz

 

Yes i am planning an upgrade APEX MB and an Intel CPU yet to be decided on the reveal of the next Gen sept announcement, best i can do at the moment is 4K ULTRA . 

With AI and real weather.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by G-RFRY

First that graph is wrong.  I have seen that error in Excel data many times.

How is exact mirror opposite and it is 1 to 1 here

Did anyone see that.  I do not know where the op got it from

AMD`s market share includes the new game Consoles which make up a big boost, the downside getting the PC parts in stock some say this may be a problem in Q4.

But seriously i would do nothing run MSFS on what you have to get the feel of it, then plan your next move by then real benchmarks with be out in OCT-NOV.