I don't see how a negative critique is "complaining".  Pointing out the obvious shortfalls demonstrated in the video is no less valid a commentary than pointing out the strengths.  There is a line between valid criticism and incessant slagging, but that's not what I see here.  It's fair play to point those things out, and nobody but the developer has any responsibility to offer solutions to the problems that are highlighted.

 

36 minutes ago, TASCHMANN said:

They certainly are valid and there  is no need to apologize. 

I guess we have to expect a lot of heat and very little light when we ask valid questions or express reasoned opinions that bring forth emotional responses in others. There are many in the forums who feel called upon to support any product regardless of merit and who therefore interpret any honest criticism as heresy.  They apparently think that to do otherwise is to discourage development of new products.

Please don't be discouraged by a few who think their wishful thinking is a substitute for objectivity.  I agree with you that as long as we accept, without question,  any product "bugs and all" that that is what we will get.

I don't feel discouraged at all. I just wonder why people tend to get so toxic when someone points out an issue. Its like i am mocking their Child or Pet. Don't take this too personally and "relax...all is good!"

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by ThomseN_inc

5 hours ago, vin747 said:

this is a Las Vegas landing in the same 747 but is very smooth overall. Probably shot in 1080p?  A bit reassuring to see this smoothness when landing into a big airport. 

Smooth, true.  But what settings is this video using?  Looks pretty dialed-down to me; in particular, the scenery on approach (from about the point of the screenshot on) look pretty much like flat 2D textures.  It certainly doesn't look like the "breakthrough in visuals!" we've been promised over, say P3D with ORBX,

1 hour ago, AflyingDoge said:

They stated that they are fixing 50 bugs a day with the autopilot

That's pretty impressive.  At that rate, the AP should be working fine by...2025?  😎

Quadruple redundancy!

I bet they're kicking themselves over creating a unique AP for each aircraft.

1 hour ago, ThomseN_inc said:

I offer problems? Where did you get that from? Excuse me...i am not MS. I'm just pointing at problems i see every day when watching Videos about MSFS.

Do other people who complain about performance, autoflight or anything regarding MSFS that needs tweaking offer a solution? I highly doubt it since all i have read till now is "Yeah, this needs definatly some tweaking", "that should be ironed out till release" but hey...no Flightsim was and ever will be perfect right? So where is the solution in that?

Just accept that there are people feeling different about MSFS based on what can be seen in so many videos. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong after all. We'll see...

The issue I personally have with all the "opinions" is that a lot of them are basing them off of a video without actually flying the sim itself. Secondly, it's the stuff like the glaring autopilot issues.....of course it looks bad, do we need a ton of people flooding the forums with the obvious? It's as if if something isn't written, then it doesn't exist. Not the case. For myself, there are issues i see with the game from the videos. However I'm keeping my mouth shut because I actually haven't touched the game. If they are still there, then I'll complain. 

Another thing I've noticed at times is all this flight model mess and the fact that some people have never ever flown an actual plan and they complain about it not looking or feeling right. Really!!!??? How would they know? Oh that's right, because they play other  Sims. Still no actual real baseline for comparison.

Lastly, we have been stuck with p3d/fsx from Microsoft. Now we get a monumental leap and people are complaining about the most trivial garbage. Seriously, look at every sim out of the box and then tell me something you want to complain about.

Have your opinions, but at least wait until you've flown the darn thing. 

There are some on here saying that it's just a game and not a true sim. Based off of what? Then come to find out, said people have never even touched the darn thing. 

I mean, it is just a game at the end of the day.

 

31 minutes ago, JDWalley said:

Smooth, true.  But what settings is this video using?  Looks pretty dialed-down to me; in particular, the scenery on approach (from about the point of the screenshot on) look pretty much like flat 2D textures.  It certainly doesn't look like the "breakthrough in visuals!" we've been promised over, say P3D with ORBX,

You just said it looks like the settings have been dialed down a bit. That may explain the visuals ...don't ya think?

That was exactly my point.

 

2 minutes ago, JDWalley said:

That was exactly my point.

 

Then why imply that the sim could t offer the visuals  that have been promised? I seriously don't get it anymore. 

Obviously you don't.  What I was saying was that, while the sim seemed to be running smoothly, what I considered to be lower graphics detail suggested to me that the settings had been reduced.  Thus, drawing conclusions on smoothness from that video would be based on running it at lower graphic settings -- which many users might not want to do.

19 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

The issue I personally have with all the "opinions" is that a lot of them are basing them off of a video without actually flying the sim itself.

Again. Those videos are the only thing i as a non tester can base my opinion on. right? If MS had a problem with people judging their game based on that why would they allow all those people to shamelessly show of its shortfalls?

 

22 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Another thing I've noticed at times is all this flight model mess and the fact that some people have never ever flown an actual plan

I said in another thread that planes movement looks like they have no inertia. And that hasn't changed. I personally started flying real planes at the age of 13, had my PPL with 17, IR with 20. I'm turning 39 this year and i am still in the buisness.

24 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Lastly, we have been stuck with p3d/fsx from Microsoft. Now we get a monumental leap and people are complaining about the most trivial garbage. Seriously, look at every sim out of the box and then tell me something you want to complain about.

And again i don't expect MSFS to be perfect. I expect basic things to work and look properly. Nothing less, nothing more. Surely MSFS looks monumental on screenshot. But i all gets a bitter taste when you see FPS drop to under 30 at certain points. Nothing monumental here.

If you or anyone else is willing to sacrifice smoothness in order to get a monumental looking game go for it. I'd rather have a smooth one and therefore a little less eyecandy. But thats my opinion that you don't want to hear.

 

23 minutes ago, JDWalley said:

Obviously you don't.  What I was saying was that, while the sim seemed to be running smoothly, what I considered to be lower graphics detail suggested to me that the settings had been reduced.  Thus, drawing conclusions on smoothness from that video would be based on running it at lower graphic settings -- which many users might not want to do.

So what was up with the orbx and quotations comment you made in said post?

 

4 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Again. Those videos are the only thing i as a non tester can base my opinion on. right? If MS had a problem with people judging their game based on that why would they allow all those people to shamelessly show of its shortfalls?

 

I said in another thread that planes movement looks like they have no inertia. And that hasn't changed. I personally started flying real planes at the age of 13, had my PPL with 17, IR with 20. I'm turning 39 this year and i am still in the buisness.

And again i don't expect MSFS to be perfect. I expect basic things to work and look properly. Nothing less, nothing more. Surely MSFS looks monumental on screenshot. But i all gets a bitter taste when you see FPS drop to under 30 at certain points. Nothing monumental here.

If you or anyone else is willing to sacrifice smoothness in order to get a monumental looking game go for it. I'd rather have a smooth one and therefore a little less eyecandy. But thats my opinion that you don't want to hear.

 

I'm fine with your opinion, I'm not fine with cherry picking certain aspects and complaint about them.

I have seen countless videos at different resolutions that have very good performance. 

On top of that, like others have said, recording at 4k or recording at all on some PCs tank performance. I've been through that before. 

If you got the same exact performance as you currently get with p3d or fsx or x plane but with the new visuals.....you're telling me you'd be angry? You'd see that as a loss? 

That's like me saying, darn, I really wish I got hired by delta, and because of that, I'll never look at the positives of any other mainline airline, I'll only always be bitter about not being at delta. It doesn't make sense. 

I'm glad your an actual pilot. I am too. At least you have a background to have an educated opinion on certain things. My statement about that wasn't directed to you per se, more of a generalization of stuff I have come across at times.

Anyways, I just finished a three day trip, I'm tired and I'm going to have a beer. 

If you were here I'd buy you a round. Enjoy your weekend!

4 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

I have seen countless videos at different resolutions that have very good performance. 

On top of that, like others have said, recording at 4k or recording at all on some PCs tank performance. I've been through that before. 

I know that i am taking it into account.

 

5 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

If you got the same exact performance as you currently get with p3d or fsx or x plane but with the new visuals.....you're telling me you'd be angry? You'd see that as a loss? 

Not a loss but i'd feel a bit disappointed. I think 60FPS isn't an unrealistically high expectation today even for a sim. Time goes on and other games are running at 144 or even 240FPS. I know, MSFS i alot more complex than a "simple" game but still playing at below 60FPS feels like something from a steam age to me. It's just not contemporary anymore.

I'd certainly enjoy that beer since its 34 degrees outside and its hard to find a cool spot.

Take care!