I meant active duty in the military not airshow. What a bird ! 

 

Edited January 19, 20206 yr by domkle

1 minute ago, domkle said:

I meant active duty in the military not airshow. What a bird ! 

 

Indeed!  Last time I saw it flying was near LPBJ, me in a glider - a good old Scheibe Bergfalke IV 🙂

Crank the volume up ! Thanks for posting jcomm not seen that one !

6 hours ago, domkle said:

The F-104 was withdrawn from active duty about 40 years ago (it was then only a trainer) so the choice by A2A as a trainer would have been a poor one.  

Niche aircraft in the default ? There are some, like the Icon5 but as I said I don't expect a F-104, that would the niche of a niche 😄, or even a prop warbird. 

The A2A Boeing 377 Stratocruiser was made as a training aid for an individual.  It's possible the two (or three) jets would have been similar.  But they specifically said it was military, and I'm not sure who might still be using those as trainers.  They're probably not front line fighters. 😄

I suspect Microsoft has some kind of deal with Icon as the A5 was in Microsoft Flight.  It's a good airplane and representative of light sport amphibians that are available.

Hook

1 hour ago, domkle said:

I meant active duty in the military not airshow. What a bird ! 

 

Yes active duty in military 'till 2004 in Italy. Of course it was inadequate in many ways, but pilots still praised its climbing capabilities even compared to modern fighters.

15 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Yes active duty in military 'till 2004 in Italy. Of course it was inadequate in many ways, but pilots still praised its climbing capabilities even compared to modern fighters.

Didn't know that, thanks.  Climbing fast and high  it could, once you had safely taken off that is to say. Then you had to land…  I really wish to see one in FS20 with all the idiosyncratic dangerousness of the early versions. 

4 hours ago, Murmur said:

Actually it has been in active service until 2004 (not in USA). But they are still flying today with civilian operators for airshows etc.

It's not flying anymore. Missing parts to get aporoval of the ejection seat. It's based at my home town airbase. Fantastic bird. Locals call it "The Bull" because of the sound it makes. It's a CF, made in Canada. 

Edited January 19, 20206 yr by simmerhead

Around here it was called "widowmaker"...

38 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Around here it was called "widowmaker"...

Here a more forgiving nickname: Spillone (big pin) 🙂

The developers have talked about a legacy mode that would allow FSX/P3D aircraft to be flown in the new sim.  With any luck this will allow us to fly most aircraft that would work in 64 bit P3Dv4.  I wouldn't expect everything to be compatible but there is some chance that anything I currently own or subsequently purchase for P3D will still be able to be used in MSFS.  

The legacy aircraft may not fly as well as native MSFS aircraft, but it's got to be better to fly them in the new environment than in P3D. 🙂

Hook

8 hours ago, LHookins said:

The developers have talked about a legacy mode that would allow FSX/P3D aircraft to be flown in the new sim.  With any luck this will allow us to fly most aircraft that would work in 64 bit P3Dv4.  I wouldn't expect everything to be compatible but there is some chance that anything I currently own or subsequently purchase for P3D will still be able to be used in MSFS.  

The legacy aircraft may not fly as well as native MSFS aircraft, but it's got to be better to fly them in the new environment than in P3D. 🙂

Hook

TMBK the legacy mode was about the simpler FSX flight dynamics only. That doesn't automatically include any of the other assets, and most certainly does not include a different simulator.

I would expect that basic FSX addons will work, unless they have programmatic components (which excludes all the more advanced aircraft and all external tools). P3D native addons, built to P3D spec and P3D features, will not work at all unless the developer creates a similar product for MSFS.

P3D is a different code base and has a different API. So not a single one of the programmatic components (C++/C# apps and gauges = systems) will work, just like P3D assets don't work in FSX (and vice versa). They will have to be rewritten for the new API  - praying that the programmer didn't use features that are P3D V4 native - which will not be present in MSFS. That last one is a problem that I have. There are a few advanced features in P3D that don't exist in the older FSX code base, so I can't make some of my products work at all in MSFS - and if I can make them work, the feature list might not be to the same level. 
Likewise, Lockheed created a new MDL specification, so a P3D native 3D model will have to be converted before it can work in MSFS. Same might be true for materials and textures, there is no reason that they should work the same way in MSFS if it has a new graphics engine. 

The developers may be able to re-use some assets, and convert others with limited effort. But I don't expect miracles, this will be hard and cost intensive work.

Best regards

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by Lorby_SI

The FSX flight mode legacy is, in my opinion, the main mistake of this successful PR campaign. It raises expectation hard to meet and somewhat negates the whole spirit of a sim experience based on a new core. Early on, my understanding was that the FSX mode was left only for internal benchmark purpose but the community thinks now there will be a dual mode... One thing is sure, I will not buy any new aircraft based on the old FDE architecture and will leave my older aircraft where they belong, in the P3D hangar.

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by domkle

On 1/13/2020 at 5:45 PM, LHookins said:

I stopped flying P3D shortly after MSFS was announced.  Part of it was because the graphics looked so dated by comparison, and part because I just got tired of flying.  

A2A released the P3Dv4 version of the Piper Cub January 3 and I bought it as soon as I noticed, a day later.  Already got over 50 hours in it.

Hey, remember that A2A Piper J3 Cub I bought on January 4?  Well I just landed it at 23:55 on February 3 with 200.4 hours logged.

It only cost $24 after a $6 loyalty discount.  I think I got my money's worth, even if I never fly it again.

And I'll buy it again for MSFS if A2A makes it for that platform.

Now, about that A2A Comanche.  I've had my eye on it for a while.  When I get tired of the Cub, that's a likely purchase.  And I expect to get my money's worth on that one too.

Hook

3 hours ago, LHookins said:

Hey, remember that A2A Piper J3 Cub I bought on January 4?  Well I just landed it at 23:55 on February 3 with 200.4 hours logged.

Let's assume MSFS hits late this year. It would make no sense not having fun till then. So I totally agree. 😉

Edited February 4, 20206 yr by tweekz

3 hours ago, LHookins said:

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Now, about that A2A Comanche.  I've had my eye on it for a while.  When I get tired of the Cub, that's a likely purchase.  And I expect to get my money's worth on that one too.

Hook

My  A2A fav' is the Texan but I've flown extensively the Comanche. An excellent choice.