OK, hypothetical situation:  What happens if Microsoft gives a release date for MSFS and it's only two weeks away.  Is there anything I'd still buy for P3D at that point?

If CumulusX released a P3Dv4 version, I'd buy it along with one of the excellent Aerosoft sailplanes, even if I only expected to fly it for two weeks.  It *may* be possible to get the current CumulusX working in P3Dv4, but I didn't have much luck getting it to work properly with P3Dv2.5.

A2A has posted about releasing the F-104 and F-4 Phantom, which were in development some years ago but were put on hold.  I'd definitely get the F-104.  Not because I'm specifically interested in that aircraft, but because A2A made it.  I'd probably get the Phantom as well.  Even if I only would only fly them for two weeks total.

Since we've currently got 6 to 9 months before MSFS is expected to be released, I've got plenty of time to fly anything I buy now.

Keep in mind that I only had 4 aircraft that I flew a lot.  The A2A Connie was number 5, the A2A Cub was number 6.  I've got other aircraft that don't get much flight time.

Hook

20 minutes ago, LHookins said:

OK, hypothetical situation:  What happens if Microsoft gives a release date for MSFS and it's only two weeks away.  Is there anything I'd still buy for P3D at that point?

If CumulusX released a P3Dv4 version, I'd buy it along with one of the excellent Aerosoft sailplanes, even if I only expected to fly it for two weeks.  It *may* be possible to get the current CumulusX working in P3Dv4, but I didn't have much luck getting it to work properly with P3Dv2.5.

A2A has posted about releasing the F-104 and F-4 Phantom, which were in development some years ago but were put on hold.  I'd definitely get the F-104.  Not because I'm specifically interested in that aircraft, but because A2A made it.  I'd probably get the Phantom as well.  Even if I only would only fly them for two weeks total.

Since we've currently got 6 to 9 months before MSFS is expected to be released, I've got plenty of time to fly anything I buy now.

Keep in mind that I only had 4 aircraft that I flew a lot.  The A2A Connie was number 5, the A2A Cub was number 6.  I've got other aircraft that don't get much flight time.

Hook

You would spend a not inconsiderable amount of money on 2 aircraft you don’t care about and would hardly use because A2A developed them ? 
 

Of course you may spend your money how you wish but that seems mad to me !

There is a big difference between the terms "not specifically interested in" and "do not care about".

Edited January 19, 20206 yr by Christopher Low

1 hour ago, Nick_h said:

You would spend a not inconsiderable amount of money on 2 aircraft you don’t care about and would hardly use because A2A developed them ? 
 

Of course you may spend your money how you wish but that seems mad to me !

 

I've always had some interest in the F-104, but not enough to buy just any 104 for FSX/P3D.  I have less interest in the Phantom.

If you're familiar with A2A, you'll understand why I might be interested.  

Now factor in the idea that these aircraft will probably never be redone for MSFS.  My only chance to fly them would be in P3D.

I figure about $40 to $50 per aircraft.  My budget already has $180 for aircraft in 2020. 😄

Hook

25 minutes ago, LHookins said:

 

 

Now factor in the idea that these aircraft will probably never be redone for MSFS.   

The F-104 is a very good example of the scope which will open to outside developers.. This was a bear of an aircraft to pilot hence the dreadful number of lethal accidents. That it will not come as default in the new sim is a quasi-certitude.That it won't come to FS20 is another thing though.  The new FDE architecture could do it justice without scripted reaction to a wrong AoA at take offf for instance. I, for one,  expect  to see one later after release. And ready to pay the price !

I only fly with A2A GA planes. So if A2A doesn't announce its move to the new platform, then I'm not interested at all and if they release new aircrafts for P3D it would be an istant buy for me. As for the scenery I'm happy with ORBX products and I think I'm going to buy the new OLC Africa that just entered beta.

55 minutes ago, domkle said:

The F-104 is a very good example of the scope which will open to outside developers.. This was a bear of an aircraft to pilot hence the dreadful number of lethal accidents. That it will not come as default in the new sim is a quasi-certitude.

My understanding is that A2A originally created these two aircraft to be used for real world training.  I have no idea who might still use these and need trainers though.  I'm really only interested in a F-104 made by A2A.

Don't expect any "niche" aircraft to be included in the default.  They're only going to include the most popular with the most people.  I don't expect to see a DC-3, a Beaver, or a Stearman although that last one is possible.  Gonna have to wait for third party developers.

 

10 minutes ago, Jeeeno said:

I only fly with A2A GA planes. So if A2A doesn't announce its move to the new platform, then I'm not interested at all and if they release new aircrafts for P3D it would be an istant buy for me.

No announcements of any kind but there may have been some hints.  I would expect A2A to make aircraft for the new sim, although whether anything will be available on MSFS launch day is anyone's guess.  It's possible.

I don't care about their warbirds, and I already have a couple of the GA planes and don't anticipate getting more.  If they upgrade the B377 and B-17 to P3Dv4 I may get those.

Hook

10 minutes ago, LHookins said:

No announcements of any kind but there may have been some hints.  I would expect A2A to make aircraft for the new sim, although whether anything will be available on MSFS launch day is anyone's guess.  It's possible.

I don't care about their warbirds, and I already have a couple of the GA planes and don't anticipate getting more.  If they upgrade the B377 and B-17 to P3Dv4 I may get those.

Hook

 

I don't like the warbirds too. However their GA are simply awesome and I cannot fly any other GA aircraft (that's the reason I don't use XP as well because of no GA available of the same level). I didn't get any hint of their switch to the new sim, but there may be an Aerostar in the pipeline, so I'm eagerly waiting it even if it is P3D only. 

1 hour ago, LHookins said:

My understanding is that A2A originally created these two aircraft to be used for real world training.  I have no idea who might still use these and need trainers though.  I'm really only interested in a F-104 made by A2A.

Don't expect any "niche" aircraft to be included in the default.  They're only going to include the most popular with the most people.  I don't expect to see a DC-3, a Beaver, or a Stearman although that last one is possible.  Gonna have to wait for third party developers.

 

No announcements of any kind but there may have been some hints.  I would expect A2A to make aircraft for the new sim, although whether anything will be available on MSFS launch day is anyone's guess.  It's possible.

I don't care about their warbirds, and I already have a couple of the GA planes and don't anticipate getting more.  If they upgrade the B377 and B-17 to P3Dv4 I may get those.

Hook

The F-104 was withdrawn from active duty about 40 years ago (it was then only a trainer) so the choice by A2A as a trainer would have been a poor one.  As I remember, it was chiefly a prototype to design an Accusim for jet engine but Gentile threw in the towel after a while. Besides the Phantom, there was also a T33A in the pipeline that never saw the light of the day.

Niche aircraft in the default ? There are some, like the Icon5 but as I said I don't expect a F-104, that would the niche of a niche 😄, or even a prop warbird. 

I fly mostly A2A aircraft, GA, warbirds and the 377  (I have 8 of them). Because they are the best that we can get now since RealAir closed. If Asobo gives me more (remember the FDE will be entirely remade from the ground up) I'll go with Asobo. I hope that A2A will follow suit though, and make me a  T-6 Texan (the best A2A IMO) with its large canopy open to the world below, the Mustang and the P-40 again.

I noted your good words about the new Cub. Another good example. Long ago we had the FSD which was pretty good then, a default Cub in FS9 (I think) and the A2A. I flew them all ! It was one of my early A2A purchases (with the P-47) . I got tired of it after some hundreds hours of flying in FSX and P3D because the FDE was not as good as A2A later GA releases. Early FSX, dated. I don't know whether the new one is just a cosmetic update (PBRized) or whether the FDE was also upgraded but  I welcome very much the Asobo XCub because I think that the new FDE architecture coupled with the airflow over the relief should make it a heck of a bush plane. Now if A2A makes a SuperCub for FS20, we can talk.

Edited January 19, 20206 yr by domkle

When you consider the OP of this thread who`s YouTube channel promotes P3D and makes money doing it he`s got you all going 😀  

CptVince makes good videos. When MSFS hit the scene the only question I ask me ,myself and I was,"Should I Stop Buying P3D addons"? All the what if, maybe's and I see into the future opinions and  answers of others I read. Then I went back to flying p3d and having fun. I spent $250 plus buying addons over the holidays. Great sales. 

5 hours ago, LHookins said:

 

I've always had some interest in the F-104, but not enough to buy just any 104 for FSX/P3D.  I have less interest in the Phantom.

If you're familiar with A2A, you'll understand why I might be interested.  

Now factor in the idea that these aircraft will probably never be redone for MSFS.  My only chance to fly them would be in P3D.

I figure about $40 to $50 per aircraft.  My budget already has $180 for aircraft in 2020. 😄

Hook

Yes I understand that and I get it. A2A are superb. I owned a couple of products in days gone past. They are not cheap and I was questioning buying ( yes I know unreleased products ) and not really getting your moneys worth.... If you continue to use them when FS is released then that is value for money.

As I have said in this thread already I will not be buying anymore products for P3D as I'm sure I will be transitioning onto FS when it is released however I will continue to use P3D. I only upgraded to the latest version 6 months ago and I have a decent amount of ORBX products as well as some aeroplanes I really love to fly. RealAir Lancair / Turbine Duke, Aerosoft OV-10 amongst others.

Like every Sim release over the years I'm sure I will slowly fly them less and less over a transition period until eventually the quality of the Third Party releases catches up 🙂

3 hours ago, domkle said:

The F-104 was withdrawn from active duty about 40 years ago

Actually it has been in active service until 2004 (not in USA). But they are still flying today with civilian operators for airshows etc.

47 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Actually it has been in active service until 2004 (not in USA). But they are still flying today with civilian operators for airshows etc.

in Italy ?

5 minutes ago, domkle said:

in Italy ?