<>It's a matter of DEGREE. The last notch of flaps in any 182 that I have ever flown and most light aircraft, is most drag with little incremental lift. There CERTAINLY is not as much lift on the last notch as is exhibited in the Carenado 182 which balloons the aircraft...I my rig at least, to a climb rate of well above 700 fpm. No way would that happen ITRW.Regards,Jim

80% throttle to maintain a good landing approach.>>With respect, I disagree. Assuming a proper descent profile...say 400-500 fpm, you would only have to carry 20 in. manifold pressure which is nowhere near 75-80% power.Where some pilots find themselves in need of "dragging it in" with such high power settings is when they find themselves too low (below the glidepath) and have to fly level in order to intercept the glidepath...but that is pilot error and not proper descent proceedure.Regards,Jim

I strongly disagree with you. I tried to recreate all the problems that you guys have stated and could not get anything near the "unlandable" Skylane. Heck I can put this bird down easier than I could the real thing. I tried taking off and popping in 30 degrees of flaps. Yup the rate of climb went through the roof. The airspeed bled off at the same time. This plane in real life and in the game is sneaky fast. If you try blow into the pattern at 150 knots and 1500ft AGL or higher you are going to have to fight like crazy to put it on the numbers. Slow down before entering the pattern, drop the gear to help slow you down. Then drop the flaps 10 degrees. While it doesn't help in the sim, I was taught not to go to fine pitch on the prop till short final. Helps keep the noise down for the airport neighbors. The real aircraft will also drop like a stone with full flaps, gear out and if you don't keep the nose down you will have big time problems trying to roundout. Edit. The problem with deploying full flaps and balloning. Are you guys watching the flap deployment speeds? Throwing out full flaps at too fast a speed does make thing interesting in real life.

>Alex ASV nor AS2004.5 have anything to do with this issue. I>also don't believe two different .air files have been released>from Carenado. If the developer themselves state there's a>mix up with the FDE then that's what's going on. Some of you>are just happy with a faulty FDE. This thing flies like the>Flight1 PC12, the only difference being the PC12 responds>correctly to drag. That plane doesn't just float along on>final like a kite unless there's a very strong headwind.>>I don't care what Carenado is stating, changing the>'INDUCED_DRAG_SCALAR' to ?2? instead of ?1? makes this plane>much more manageable on short final. Even though this>aircraft has STOL capabilities, it does a very poor job in>taking drag into account. Without the proper amount of drag>to slow the plane down, she'll just keep flying. Even a STOL>aircraft with full flaps has to succumb to drag if throttle is>not applied...>>Here's hoping for a speedy release of the patch... :-roll That is exactly my feeling too. I think the flight models are all the same, and a few people are used to some of the other really poor flight models in Fs9 so they feel that this one is alright. It isn't alright , it is horrible. When you have to pitch the nose down and dive at the runway, in order to get the plane on the ground, it has some serious FDE issues. I have been thinking about posting some pictures of the pitch attitude of the plane on final with 65 knots and full flaps. It looks ridiculous, and it will sail along with 30 degrees of flaps , like it has an anchor attached to the nose gear, for thousands of feet without losing altitude unless you push the nose down even more!!!!! I have spent more time trying to figure out a way to have a normalized approach in this aircraft, than any other MSFS aircraft I have flown, and still no success.

>I strongly disagree with you. I tried to recreate all the>problems that you guys have stated and could not get anything>near the "unlandable" Skylane. Heck I can put this bird down>easier than I could the real thing. >>I tried taking off and popping in 30 degrees of flaps. Yup the>rate of climb went through the roof. The airspeed bled off at>the same time. >>This plane in real life and in the game is sneaky fast. If you>try blow into the pattern at 150 knots and 1500ft AGL or>higher you are going to have to fight like crazy to put it on>the numbers. Slow down before entering the pattern, drop the>gear to help slow you down. Then drop the flaps 10 degrees. >While it doesn't help in the sim, I was taught not to go to>fine pitch on the prop till short final. Helps keep the noise>down for the airport neighbors. >>The real aircraft will also drop like a stone with full flaps,>gear out and if you don't keep the nose down you will have big>time problems trying to roundout. >>Edit. The problem with deploying full flaps and balloning. Are>you guys watching the flap deployment speeds? Throwing out>full flaps at too fast a speed does make thing interesting in>real life.Robert,I guess you either skipped the several posts I made or didn't read them carefully. Here goes again:Approach speed "65-75" knotsFlaps 10Flaps 20 degreesLanding Gear down Pitch finePower just above full idleselect flaps 30push nose more down as flaps 30 is extendedplane starts climbing despite nose downpush nose down some moreplane now flying level, tail high, at about a 10 degree nose down pitchplane continues to fly level, nose gear lower than main gearrunway continues to shrink in length in front of aircraftalmost out of a few thousand feet of runwaypush nose down some more and at the last second before nose gear hits runway, pull nose up and plant main get on runway with plane in almost level attitude. tell passengers they can stop screaming, weve landed :)That pretty much sums it up.

I tried playing with the induced drag scaler this morning and at 2 it seemed like it was getting close to behaving like a normal aircraft in approach, but then climb and level flight were not good. I adjusted the drag to 1.5, still better on a approach, and climb and cruise were a bit better than 2.0, but still not right, so I agree with with the creator of the software, there is more to fixing this problem than just resetting something in the Aircraft.cfg, otherwise he would have probably posted it somewhere by now.

Interesting to read the comments on this thread regarding the new Cessna from Carenado. I have many of their previous models because I think they make some brilliant looking eye-candy and panels. Their Bonanza models are IMHO nicer looking than the Dreamfleet model. This (Dreamfleet version) may have a better flight model and detailed panel but the framerates (on my system) are poor.Unfortunately I feel Carenado have been left behind in terms of flight dynamics and I held off making a purchase on the Cessna till I'd seen some comments from customers. Looks like they're still playing "catch-up" for now so will leave any new Carenado purchases until they get their flight dynamics right. It's a pity because it's a super looking aeroplane.RegardsAdamWin XP - ARIA 3200PCPrescott 3.20 GHz - 2GB RAMAsus ATi Radeon X800 Pro TD 256MB19" CRT 1600x1200 @ 100hzAudiophile 24/96 Audio

>>Robert,>>I guess you either skipped the several posts I made or didn't>read them carefully. >edit:Robert certainly did read your postings, since I used them at Flightsim.com, where this same subject was brought up by Dillon. Since Robert is an experienced pilot with 182's, I noticed that his comments regarding the Carendado 182 were much like my results, and a 180 from yours.For the record, I also strongly disagree with every "test", you've printed here; and yet you state them as solid fact, as though no other "real" pilot input counts...We've either got screwed up files (mine work), or you need to back to pilot school! :D Why is it, that I, can land this airplane so easily, with a steep full flap approach, and keep the numbers easily in check?L.Adamson

> Some of you>are just happy with a faulty FDE. This thing flies like the>Flight1 PC12, the only difference being the PC12 responds>correctly to drag. That plane doesn't just float along on>final like a kite unless there's a very strong headwind.> Without the proper amount of drag>to slow the plane down, she'll just keep flying. Even a STOL>aircraft with full flaps has to succumb to drag if throttle is>not applied...>Why is that "my" version of this airplane seems to have all the drag in the world, which allows me to make steep approaches and loose airspeed at the same time? I can nail 60 to 65 kias in a very steep full flap approach with this 182.A began flying with Cessna's in 1968. The aircraft I'm accustomed to these day's are excellent for steep approaches with a C/S prop. I don't need anyone telling me, that I'm happy with a faulty FDE, especially, if the FDE just involves added STOL characteristics. In fact, I'm probably as picky as any, when it comes to small aircraft flight dynamics.L.Adamson

In my Civil Air Patrol unit we don't use full flaps ever on the 182 as it has a propensity to get stuck in the full flap setting.Seems like a real world work around until Carenado issues a patch....:-)http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

>>Approach speed "65-75" knots>Flaps 10>Flaps 20 degrees>Landing Gear down >Pitch fine>Power just above full idle>select flaps 30>push nose more down as flaps 30 is extended>plane starts climbing despite nose down>push nose down some more>plane now flying level, tail high, at about a 10 degree nose>down pitch>plane continues to fly level, nose gear lower than main gear>runway continues to shrink in length in front of aircraft>almost out of a few thousand feet of runway>push nose down some more and at the last second before nose>gear hits runway, pull nose up and plant main get on runway>with plane in almost level attitude. >tell passengers they can stop screaming, weve landed> I don't get why some people are reporting very odd flight dynamics and others like me say they have no issue with the airplane? perhaps there is a conflict with an add-on in some systems? i definately can't reproduce the actions in the above post like flying level and 10deg pitch down.

>Interesting to read the comments on this thread regarding the>new Cessna from Carenado. I have many of their previous models>because I think they make some brilliant looking eye-candy and>panels. Their Bonanza models are IMHO nicer looking than the>Dreamfleet model. This (Dreamfleet version) may have a better>flight model and detailed panel but the framerates (on my>system) are poor.>>Unfortunately I feel Carenado have been left behind in terms>of flight dynamics and I held off making a purchase on the>Cessna till I'd seen some comments from customers. Looks like>they're still playing "catch-up" for now so will leave any new>Carenado purchases until they get their flight dynamics right.>It's a pity because it's a super looking aeroplane.>It's not as bad as it seems. In fact, overall, the flight model is better than I expected. I'm coming to the conclusion, that we have some pretty lousey pilots around here, considering landing this plane is really a non-event.If you really look into the issue, here and elswhere, you'll see "little" reference to some of the bizarre flight stories that have been told in this thread. I've flown plenty of real Cessna's, and others who have flown plenty of real Cessna's, strongly disagree with some statements presented as "fact".L.Adamson

>In my Civil Air Patrol unit we don't use full flaps ever on>the 182 as it has a propensity to get stuck in the full flap>setting.>>Seems like a real world work around until Carenado issues a>patch....>:-)>If you have this plane.................. you'd better see what version you have.... ;) I can't get mine to behave with the bizzare characteristics mentioned by BobSk8, or Dillon-------------no matter, how hard I try!L.Adamson

I haven't had time to check but I sure like the "general" feel and performance of the fm on this bird....But as long as we are complaining about flight models-I haven't found one yet in Fs that does a chandelle right...I haven't seen too many complain about that, but then again, I bet most are not doing chandelles....http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

>>Interesting to read the comments on this thread regarding>the>>new Cessna from Carenado. I have many of their previous>models>>because I think they make some brilliant looking eye-candy>and>>panels. Their Bonanza models are IMHO nicer looking than the>>Dreamfleet model. This (Dreamfleet version) may have a>better>>flight model and detailed panel but the framerates (on my>>system) are poor.>>>>Unfortunately I feel Carenado have been left behind in terms>>of flight dynamics and I held off making a purchase on the>>Cessna till I'd seen some comments from customers. Looks>like>>they're still playing "catch-up" for now so will leave any>new>>Carenado purchases until they get their flight dynamics>right.>>It's a pity because it's a super looking aeroplane.>>>>It's not as bad as it seems. In fact, overall, the flight>model is better than I expected. I'm coming to the conclusion,>that we have some pretty lousey pilots around here,>considering landing this plane is really a non-event.>>If you really look into the issue, here and elswhere, you'll>see "little" reference to some of the bizarre flight stories>that have been told in this thread. I've flown plenty of real>Cessna's, and others who have flown plenty of real Cessna's,>strongly disagree with some statements presented as "fact".>>L.AdamsonAnd I am coming to the conclusion that you are possibly trying to get a flame war going, and I am not going to go there. There is more than one person on this thread that is having issues with the flight model, in fact, that is what started the thread. I wouldn't be posting as often as I do if everytime I related what happened in an attempt to correct this problem with this aircraft, you didn't immediately come back with the attitude that it is perfect and all of us that are having problems, don't know what we are talking about. Not only that, the person that wrote the software claims there is a problem, so obviously either you know what you are talking about, and we are all uninformed, or vice versa..... If you think the C182RG is great now, keep the flight model when the patch comes out. I for one am going to leave this plane in the hangar, until it gets fixed. By the way, I bet I can fly rings around you if you think this plane handles OK, so don't assume that your piloting skills are better than mine ( reference the lousey pilot remark) .