People who haven't tried Flight yet can make their own conclusions.

http://youtu.be/401UykLRIUo

my conclusion .. you used a lot of server resources with the video.

They looked kind of the same... Ground loops with a flip at the end... biggest difference to me was the crash. Both were buggy and inaccurate but Flight's at least let it bounce around a bit.

What were you trying to illustrate?

Currently an Apples to Oranges comparison, because of Flight's lack of differential brakes. (Should be fixed in SP1 I believe) So it's understandable why you spun the FSX model around sharper than Flights. It would have been a better comparison, if you just used rudders in FSX.

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by tf51d

My point is, some people complain about planes in Flight are arcadey. I was trying to show if that's true then FSX planes must be arcadey too.Planes in FSX feel on rails, no fun, no immersion at all. Same thing when taxiing, planes feel dead with little input in FSX.In fact landing any GA planes in FSX is a game for me, no challenge at all. To be honest I have only found challenging landing planes in IL2, Rise of Flight, Flaming Cliffs or DCS. Planes in Flight feel better In almost everyway and situation. From air turbulences to plane weight when fully loaded seem to be more important when landing and many many other situations. No meant to be negative, it's just my opinion I wanted to share.

My point is, some people complain about planes in Flight are arcadey. I was trying to show if that's true then FSX planes must be arcadey too.Planes in FSX feel on rails, no fun, no immersion at all. Same thing when taxiing, planes feel dead with little input in FSX.In fact landing any GA planes in FSX is a game for me, no challenge at all. To be honest I have only found challenging landing planes in IL2, Rise of Flight, Flaming Cliffs or DCS.Planes in Flight feel better In almost everyway and situation. From air turbulences to plane weight when fully loaded seem to be more important when landing and many many other situations.No meant to be negative, it's just my opinion I wanted to share.

I think you may want to test this again, you may have this in reverse!!! Unless you think this is realistic! This is a video of the RV6 and the default Maule in relatively level flight in a 90 degree crosswind in the 20kt range. Both were flown hands off and with no earlier rudder or aileron trim. The RV6 just flies it's merry way holding a course of 161 with no sign of Xwind affects, P-Factor or Torque, Now compare that with the Maule which starts off level, but gradually slips to the port side as you would expect. I haven't tried the Stearman, or Icon yet, (I don't have the Flight Maule), I'm going to do that now. Both FSX and Flight were set to full realism settings for this test.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu_4Qcz13QQ

My point is, some people complain about planes in Flight are arcadey. I was trying to show if that's true then FSX planes must be arcadey too.Planes in FSX feel on rails, no fun, no immersion at all. Same thing when taxiing, planes feel dead with little input in FSX.In fact landing any GA planes in FSX is a game for me, no challenge at all. To be honest I have only found challenging landing planes in IL2, Rise of Flight, Flaming Cliffs or DCS.Planes in Flight feel better In almost everyway and situation. From air turbulences to plane weight when fully loaded seem to be more important when landing and many many other situations.No meant to be negative, it's just my opinion I wanted to share.

much better that you now that you have given your view .... before, it was just a video of a guy spinning his plane.

TomWhat was your weather theme whilst you were doing that video?I am starting to wonder if its the weather themes themselves and not the aircraft that might be at fault here somehow.Some of the themes that would make you think that your plane would move about alot do not.I just tried Squalls and for me, theres no way you can leave the planes flying in a straight line, they were all over the place.Try that one Tom and see if it makes a difference for you.Edit: I just tried fair weather and that was only a 5knot crosswind and the plane was banking in that too when I left it for a while.The Maule is having the same problem. In some themes with a crosswind nothing is happening and yet in others it does.I am going to do a post about this on the Microsoft Beta forum. Its obviously not right.Craig

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by ckukmale

TomWhat was your weather theme whilst you were doing that video?I am starting to wonder if its the weather themes themselves and not the aircraft that might be at fault here somehow.Some of the themes that would make you think that your plane would move about alot do not.I just tried Squalls and for me, theres no way you can leave the planes flying in a straight line, they were all over the place.Try that one Tom and see if it makes a difference for you.Edit: I just tried fair weather and that was only a 5knot crosswind and the plane was banking in that too when I left it for a while.The Maule is having the same problem. In some themes with a crosswind nothing is happening and yet in others it does.I am going to do a post about this on the Microsoft Beta forum. Its obviously not right.Craig

The theme I used was Isolated Thunderstorms, I used it because it seemed to have straight winds without turbulence to skew the test I tried the same test with the Stearman, with the same theme, and it behaved as expected. So I think the problem is with the RV-6, and maybe the Maule as you state. (I don't have that one!!)

I just did a flight using the same theme Isolated thunderstorms and for me the aircraft was moving all over the place. It was raining and I was also getting winds of 73knots which were moving around all over. Are you definitely sure that was the theme you used?I am not trying to make you look an idiot btw, just trying to replicate the problem at my end.I tried the theme Among the giants which looked similar to your theme in your video and the winds were about the same constantly 16knots, and in that the aircraft were flying along like they were on rails just like in your video, so for me that weather theme is strange regarding aircraft behaviour.Can you try fair weather, I know the clouds are horrible, but i had a 5knot wind in that and it was affecting the plane for me.Craig

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by ckukmale

I just did a flight using the same theme Isolated thunderstorms and for me the aircraft was moving all over the place. It was raining and I was also getting winds of 73knots which were moving around all over. Are you definitely sure that was the theme you used?I am not trying to make you look an idiot btw, just trying to replicate the problem at my end.I tried the theme Among the giants which looked similar to your theme in your video and the winds were about the same constantly 16knots, and in that the aircraft were flying along like they were on rails just like in your video, so for me that weather theme is strange regarding aircraft behaviour.Can you try fair weather, I know the clouds are horrible, but i had a 5knot wind in that and it was affecting the plane for me.Craig

No definitely Isolated T Storms, I just checked again, I think I was just flying in an area outside the storms ( Isolated means they are not everywhere) I'm sure if I was in one the conditions would have been much worse. I just found this on the web, note the paragraph beginning "Directional and pitch stability are positive for all loading conditions. Roll stability is neutral, not uncommon in short span airplanes with low dihedral angles" Still I think holding the same heading exactly for 5:00 (I cut it in the video to 3:45 to keep it short) is a bit unlikely.http://www.vansaircr...blic/flyrvs.htm

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by tf51d

This is a video of the RV6 and the default Maule in relatively level flight in a 90 degree crosswind in the 20kt range. Both were flown hands off and with no earlier rudder or aileron trim. The RV6 just flies it's merry way holding a course of 161 with no sign of Xwind affects, P-Factor or Torque

I tried to duplicate this, to test it for myself. But I could not seem to find the isolated thunderstorm area, so the winds were pretty shifty.I do feel that the released version of the RV's flight model is not as good as what I was testing in the Beta. I've reported it on MS's Flight Beta Discussion forum.Anyhoo, here's my own short captured video, with Isolated Thunderstorms. I was on hands-off level flight when I started recording, and never touched the controls. (Sorry for the poor quality, but my older PC does not run Frap's video capture very well.):

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by Arwen

I tried to duplicate this, to test it for myself. But I could not seem to find the isolated thunderstorm area, so the winds were pretty shifty.I do feel that the released version of the RV's flight model is not as good as what I was testing in the Beta. I've reported it on MS's Flight Beta Discussion forum.Anyhoo, here's my own short captured video, with Isolated Thunderstorms. I was on hands-off level flight when I started recording, and never touched the controls. (Sorry for the poor quality, but my older PC does not run Frap's video capture very well.):

I think the reason I wasn't in the T-storms was I was flying over the Ocean off Lanai and the storms were centered over land mostly. As you can see where you were you had a 44kt wind vs the 25Kt I had!! I think you can see it in your video as well, over land you had dark threatening skies, but out over the ocean the skies were brighter. That aside, even if for some reason there was no wind even though the Hud (interesting name for that) shows it, there still should have been some heading drift from P-factor and Torque in a 5 minute span, even if just a few degrees.

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by tf51d

I had the same experience with isolated t storms-and by coincidence before the Flying Mag guy review came out reported it here-I left the room for a couple minutes, came back and there it was flying happily along on the same heading and climb as when I had let it. Maybe it does have an autopilot-but no panel! :lol