Hi,

I tested the Honycomb Alpha  and found that the pitch axe is really to hard (force requested to pull and push the yoke). Is the force required for the pitch axe less for the Fulcrum yoke?

Is this yoke good for B737 and C172?

Thanks!!

The Fulcrum is a much better experience than the Alpha. More travel and feels much more natural. I tried out the Alpha and thought it was okay but wanted a better experience which the Fulcrum noticeably provides. If cost isn't an issue, pick the Fulcrum over the Alpha every time.

The Honeycomb has around 3.5" of travel compared to the 8" of the Fulcrum. No comparison. Hall-effect sensors used in the Fulcrum means no pots to wear out. The force required to push and pull the Fulcrum increases the further away from the centre position. But in reality if you're pulling and pushing that much you're not flying realistically.

I use the Fulcrum for a PC12, B737, Lear25 and Concorde. Perfect for all of them.

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The Honeycomb has around 3.5" of travel compared to the 8" of the Fulcrum. No comparison. Hall-effect sensors used in the Fulcrum means no pots to wear out. The force required to push and pull the Fulcrum increases the further away from the centre position. But in reality if you're pulling and pushing that much you're not flying realistically.

I use the Fulcrum for a PC12, B737, Lear25 and Concorde. Perfect for all of them.

My issue is not so much during flight, but more during the landing phase when you hold the yoke with one hand and needs to first compensate the retarding of the throttle then put the nose to the Horizon... I found that with the Honeycomb Alpha the force needed to reach this pitch effect was too much. Can I assume that with the fulcrum this force is less considering that probably you do not need the whole 8" travel for landing...?

@Marc2, you won't have any problems with the flare on landing. I can push and pull the yoke with one hand easily with the other on the throttles. No, you won't need all 8" but the extra movement makes fine adjustments very easy.

I've had the Fulcrum for 18 months now and am totally happy with it. I've tried the Honeycomb and for the price it's good value. But the Fulcrum is at another level and comparable to the Yoko which costs twice as much.

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Marc2, you won't have any problems with the flare on landing. I can push and pull the yoke with one hand easily with the other on the throttles. No, you won't need all 8" but the extra movement makes fine adjustments very easy.

I've had the Fulcrum for 18 months now and am totally happy with it. I've tried the Honeycomb and for the price it's good value. But the Fulcrum is at another level and comparable to the Yoko which costs twice as much.

So the first 3-4 " of the Fulcrum pitch are really less tough then the Honeycomb, right? Similar than to the toughness of the Saitek?

I like the Fulcrum also just the case is so big...36 cm long I think... Its a bit a Problem because below my monitor I have the B737 MCP installed... These dimensions are the right ones?

Edited April 28, 20224 yr by Marc2

42 minutes ago, Marc2 said:

So the first 3-4 " of the Fulcrum pitch are really less tough then the Honeycomb, right? Similar than to the toughness of the Saitek?

I like the Fulcrum also just the case is so big...36 cm long I think... Its a bit a Problem because below my monitor I have the B737 MCP installed... These dimensions are the right ones?

I would say so, yes. I can push the Fulcum forwards 3" and back 3" with no great effort. I remember the earlier versions of the Honeycomb were ridiculously stiff. They have improved it but it still comes a distant second.

Here's my setup with a small stand with 3 separate feet to raise or lower it. The keyboard site on the forward part and my GoFlight MCP further back held down with Blu-tack.

Yes, 36cm depth is correct.

Just as a suggestion, I would recommend, that you might like to take a look at this YT video link, for a side by side comparison.

Flight simulator yokes review: Honeycomb Alpha vs Fulcrum One

 

 

 

 

On 4/28/2022 at 3:14 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

I would say so, yes. I can push the Fulcum forwards 3" and back 3" with no great effort. I remember the earlier versions of the Honeycomb were ridiculously stiff. They have improved it but it still comes a distant second.

Here's my setup with a small stand with 3 separate feet to raise or lower it. The keyboard site on the forward part and my GoFlight MCP further back held down with Blu-tack.

Yes, 36cm depth is correct.

Thanks a lot for your recommendations! I just wanted to inform you that I finally decided to buy the Thrustmaster B737 edition and I am really amazed about the flying experience with this yoke. For B737 pilots it's a dream!! And flying a C172 is also just great!!  If somebody here want to buy it might be necessary to make a few adjustments on your table in order to have the best positioning of the yoke, to have the keyboard accessible and the MCP in case you have one visible:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hTGh3EfGiXs_cKAmWWSytE-ALosdquK3/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qgzmRiIe1_adv2lhThOQhi1zfSHe6jlG/view?usp=sharing

Edited May 4, 20224 yr by Ray Proudfoot
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