45 minutes ago, Pilot53 said:

There are two kinds of simmers, those who only fly in VR and those who have never tried it.

And those who have never tried it cannot comprehend just how much of a game changer it is.

That being said, VR won't be in v1.0, and the team devoted to ATC will probably be separate to any future VR team. I'm sure that the guys and gals at Asobo can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Edited November 28, 20196 yr by smoothchat

The current gen of vr headsets does ha e it's limitations.  It still hands down beats flat screen and until you tried it you don't know how immersive it is.  Hovering helicopters for example is a completely different world than trying it in a flat screen. Having a depth of field, looking to the side and down etc.

 But you need to remember fs2020 is a 10 year project

As technology develops so will vr.  Imagine 5 years from now, we are flying with 180 degree field of view headsets, where the resolution is as sharp as our flat screen monitors, and our controllers are touch sensitive gloves where we can 'feel' the virtual buttons we are pressing all while sitting on our motion controlled gaming chair

As good a a full sim cockpit is, vr can and will bring ultra realism to the masses.

VR isn't perfect by any means but the things that used to put me off are disappearing rapidly. SDE and low resolution mainly.

The biggest drawback now is price as top end HMD's are very expensive.

Within 3 years the tech will be even better and the price for great VR experience should be more reasonable but if you have the money top end HMD's coming out like pimax 8kX or even 8k+ are light years ahead of the first gen headsets in every way.

i was allready full immersed with the first Oculus Dk1 without 8KX 😆

19 hours ago, chass32 said:

What a troll post...

Why? Because you don't agree? He's got a point...

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by Anders Bermann

12 minutes ago, Anders Bermann said:

Why? Because you don't agree? He's got a point...

He says "no one is asking for VR", when this has been consistently the number 1 request from hardcore simmers, which is clearly the group that Microsoft is trying to please the most. Yeah...great point....

VR is the nut's (and sweetcorn, tomatoes, bacon, eggs or whatever else you've eaten) on "No Limits Roller Coaster"

4 hours ago, Anders Bermann said:

Why? Because you don't agree? He's got a point...

Well, it´s obvious I don´t like it but it has to do more with his "tone" than anything else.

And because he starts the post with a lie, since Phil Spencer was talking about xbox and in the same article he says that if you want VR you have to use a PC.

And because the OP confuses his wishes with reality when he says: "How many Simmer use VR actually? 1 of 100?".

And because this: "The very few crying so loud that Asobo made VR..." is pretty insulting to the VR community.

And because to me, it looks like someone who has spent thousands of euros or whatever in a flatscreen simulator with whatever hardware just to find out that any home cockpit is beaten to a pulp by a 300 euros VR device. 

We live in 2019 and flatscreeners have to accept that VR is here to stay and probably will be the main device in the simming world in the not so distant future. Please get over it.

Cheers

Carlos

 

On 11/28/2019 at 10:49 AM, OzWhitey said:

...and now VR posts are being “quarantined” is a separate forum, because some guy started a “nobody wants VR” thread??

VR talk is just people expressing their speculations and wishes for an upcoming sim. 

That's ridiculous. This sub forum was set up specifically for the discussion of VR as it pertains to MSFS.  Nothing has been quarantined as you so elegantly put it. 

There was so much repetitive mention of it in other topics that our Admins chose to give it it's own sub forum. 

5 hours ago, 188AHC said:

That's ridiculous. This sub forum was set up specifically for the discussion of VR as it pertains to MSFS.  Nothing has been quarantined as you so elegantly put it. 

There was so much repetitive mention of it in other topics that our Admins chose to give it it's own sub forum. 

That’s not “ridiculous”.

You just described admins moving VR topics out of the main forum because - in your opinion - the mention of this aspect of flight simulation is “repetitive”. Thus, despite call it “ridiculous”, you just described quarantining discussion of this rather important topic to this subforum.

Discussions about VR are part of the wish list that a lot of Avsim members have for the new sim. It’s a reasonable topic of discussion. It’s 2019, talking about VR in relationship to simming should be part of the mainstream discussion. 

If users don’t like reading about VR, they are free to skip the posts in question.

 

On 11/29/2019 at 6:53 PM, chass32 said:

We live in 2019 and flatscreeners have to accept that VR is here to stay and probably will be the main device in the simming world in the not so distant future. Please get over it.

Cheers

Carlos

 

Yes, VR is not going away.

I remember the same type of negativity around here to “virtual cockpit” views when they first became a thing in MS Flight Simulator, back in the day.

Like VR, they required high-end hardware to get adequate performance. People were used to flying with 2D panels, and argued that there was no need for change.

The world moves on, as it always has.

Edited December 1, 20196 yr by OzWhitey

On 12/1/2019 at 1:52 AM, OzWhitey said:

That’s not “ridiculous”.

You just described admins moving VR topics out of the main forum because - in your opinion - the mention of this aspect of flight simulation is “repetitive”. Thus, despite call it “ridiculous”, you just described quarantining discussion of this rather important topic to this subforum.

Discussions about VR are part of the wish list that a lot of Avsim members have for the new sim. It’s a reasonable topic of discussion. It’s 2019, talking about VR in relationship to simming should be part of the mainstream discussion. 

If users don’t like reading about VR, they are free to skip the posts in question.

 

I like this guy!

Well said!

 

Edited December 5, 20196 yr by blueshark747

As a VR user, it is practical to easily find all MSFS VR threads neatly collated in a sub forum.

Maybe Asobo, Microsoft, and developers with a VR interest will find it useful too.

On 11/28/2019 at 10:58 PM, eaim said:

Personally I'd rather MS initially focused on seasons, ATC, AI traffic and then maybe VR.

We seem to think that there is only a small developer team at Asobo and they have to divide their time between VR/AI/SDK etc.   

In reality, I think Asobo just hires a team of VR experts, and allows the other dedicated teams to continue their work on other parts of the sim. Of course, they would be working within a budget, but it's a huge budget !

18 hours ago, smoothchat said:

In reality, I think Asobo just hires a team of VR experts, and allows the other dedicated teams to continue their work on

Asobo allready have a good VR Team, just listen to some interviews, especially Sebastian mentioning that in one interview.

the whole FS2020 world started as a Hololens project a few years ago.