2 minutes ago, cepact said:

 The comparison to the default airplane is ridiculous.

I How do you assume I'm "angry" ? t  ? 

Your arrogance and lack of respect only shows that you're the one who is angry.

Re default aircraft.  Who said  Most people don't use and don't need the complex features of PMDG aicrafts, especially I expect the new casual player base would be easily satisfied by lesser quality aircrafts. This exactly what the default 737 was, a very good aircraft albeit very limited in its scope.
About being angry : your repeated rants tend to let people think that you are. Sorry, if you rant because you are happy but thats pretty unusual. Me ? Yes and now. I find tiresome the heap of abuse on 3PD who've kept our hobby alive and so interesting for so long. You find PMDG too expensive. OK.  To keep repeating it and call for people not buying it is over the top.

50 minutes ago, cepact said:

It's easy to be the most succesful when there is no serious competition, and the only time there was, as you said the iFly 737 was almost and even for some people seen as even better than PMDG at the time. The comparison to the default airplane is ridiculous.

I'm interested to know, how do you know I can't afford one ? How do you assume I'm "angry" ? So being "some simmer" I'm not allowed to criticize any succesful addon company, why is that  ? 

Your arrogance and lack of respect only shows that you're the one who is angry.

PMDG aren't responsible for the lack of competition.  Anyone who wants to can give it a crack and good luck to them, I'm all for it.  However, the fact that few, if any, have managed to reach the same level tells the story.  Who've we got?  FSLabs, although by reputation their Airbus is a PC killer, and Majestic with their Dash 8.  That's about it isn't it? 

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by ailchim

48 minutes ago, domkle said:

Re default aircraft.  Who said  Most people don't use and don't need the complex features of PMDG aicrafts, especially I expect the new casual player base would be easily satisfied by lesser quality aircrafts. This exactly what the default 737 was, a very good aircraft albeit very limited in its scope.
 

The default 737 doesn't even have a FMC, there is nothing good about it either. When I say lesser quality I refer to Aerosoft or Zibo for example.

1 minute ago, cepact said:

The default 737 doesn't even have a FMC, there is nothing good about it either. When I say lesser quality I refer to Aerosoft or Zibo for example.

I suspect that a lot of casual simmers don't go to the so-called study level aircraft because they are intimidaded by programming a FMS or just don't bother. They want to fly ! Look hon', me flying a 737 . Not my cup of tea but the not so bad default was catering to this segment. Don't make me wrong, not mocking them, what has always impressed me is the huge variety of ways simmers enjoy the hobby which exists, at the end of the day, because of that. From the maniacs to the beer & bretzel simmers , a great community.

I take your word for Zibo, I don't do XP.  

Uhh - the 'PMDG Bashing' starting early... 

*WARNING* - RANT INCOMING

Come on, people! If you don't like the pricing or PMDG's business strategy, just don't purchase their products. It's as easy as that... The majority in here, have absolutely no idea or comprehension of what it takes and the amount of work, which is required in order to make an addon as complex and realistic as the NG3/NGXu (or any of their other products, for that matter) - yet you still complain and spew out factual claims, which purely only supports your own subjective implied conclusions: PMDG are some greedy buggers, who are only pushing new products, which should have been free updates with a huge and completely unjustified price-tag to come. 

This rant is repeating itself, whenever PMDG makes some kind of announcement... if the proverb: Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child holds true - you must really adore and love PMDG...

Sorry for the rant here.

I'll leave you to your developer bashing, in peace.

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by Anders Bermann

I can't believe that there are so many people complaining about people complaining about the price of things. Complaining about the price of things is a negotiation strategy. The supplier of any good always wants to be paid more than it is worth and the buyer always wants to pay less than its worth. Let me tell you lot who are complaining about us lot complaining about the price of the PMDG aircraft that if it wasn't for use complaining about it, PMDG would be charging even more for it. You should be thanking us for doing your negotiating for you. Nobody is really criticizing the product just complaining about the price. If we where not interested in it we wouldn't even be negotiating. I beat that the majority of the people here who are complaining about the price, pay their CC bill in full every month and the ones who are defending the pricing and saying 'nobody is making you buy it', don't! People who complain about the price of things know the value of money. We first complain with our mouth and if the other party in the negotiation won't budge, we complain with our feet.😂

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by Avidean

Anyone who recognizes me from some of my previous posts knows that I'm not a fan of PMDG's pricing strategy.  However, they are offering a $99 credit towards the NG3 for those who purchase the NGu for P3D4, which actually is causing me to consider purchasing the NGu over the Ifly 737 which I was dead set on.

One issue with the Ngu that's giving me pause is the fact that their recommended hardware for it is a 1080ti video card.  I plan on buying a 2070 video card.  I also don't like the fact that they are going to make me wait and then pay more for the 737-700 model.

For now I'm leaning towards the Ifly 737.

Dave 

9 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

For now I'm leaning towards the Ifly 737

If you don't already have the NGX for P3D Then I would say that the NGXu is a good deal because you are going to get that 100% credit toward the NG3. As far the $140 price tag for that goes, I'd take it with a pinch of salt. I can think of only one reason that PMDG would enter the much broader gaming and entertainment market with a price tag like that. They don't want to exploit the opportunity to sell several million licences because of end user support demands from a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out how to work a virtual aircraft that is as complex as the real thing.

If I didn't already have the NGX I would have bought the iFly 737 and if it where not for the 100% credit toward the NG3 I would not have bough the NGXu. The last time I bought PMDG was when they had that 22% discount and I bought the 737 and 777 expansion packs. In the past when I was considering a 747 I had decided it would be the iFly and I was waiting for a sale which they do have occasionally.

Hindsight is 20/20. If I could do it all over again before I got sucked into the PMDG Black hole, I would have gone with iFly on the 737. I have a 1080ti. NGXu is harder on the system than the NGX was but only slightly during the day. But with DL at night NGXu packs quite the punch compared to the NGX and its non DL lighting.

4 hours ago, Avidean said:

Hindsight is 20/20. If I could do it all over again before I got sucked into the PMDG Black hole, I would have gone with iFly on the 737. I have a 1080ti. NGXu is harder on the system than the NGX was but only slightly during the day. But with DL at night NGXu packs quite the punch compared to the NGX and its non DL lighting.

Hi.  Do you have to use the dynamic lighting or can you turn it off? 

I already have the NGX for FSX and was very disappointed that PMDG was going to make me pay the full price to buy it all over again for the P3D4 upgrade, so I vowed not to buy it and go with Ifly.  With the credit for the future NGX, however, I'm somewhat tempted to get it.

In your opinion, is the NGXu *that* much better than the current 737 NG?

Thanks.

Dave

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by dave2013

4 hours ago, Avidean said:

I can think of only one reason that PMDG would enter the much broader gaming and entertainment market with a price tag like that. They don't want to exploit the opportunity to sell several million licences because of end user support demands from a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out how to work a virtual aircraft that is as complex as the real thing.

You know, I think you're really on to something there. I'll confess I hadn't thought about it that way, but it makes a lot of sense.

Although you'd think the sweet spot would still mean pricing it a bit lower, to exclude the real mouth-breathers but maximize revenue/minimize support costs a bit more.😄

James

5 hours ago, Avidean said:

They don't want to exploit the opportunity to sell several million licences because of end user support demands from a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out how to work a virtual aircraft that is as complex as the real thing.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but if they sell more, they can afford more support more end users.

35 minutes ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but if they sell more, they can afford more support more end users.

I am as serious as it is appropriate to be about a game or a toy.

Still, I would sell the software with or without support. Then you can decide for yourself if you want tech support from the developer. You can still have user to user support for those who choose not to pay the premium for tech support. Then you can sell as many copies as you like without worrying about any tech support for those who have the no tech support license. If you get any grief from those who complain that there is no support if they bough the no tech license you can make it available to them after the initial sale for the difference in price. Problem solved. let the millions role in! 😁

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by Avidean

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Hi.  Do you have to use the dynamic lighting or can you turn it off? 

I already have the NGX for FSX and was very disappointed that PMDG was going to make me pay the full price to buy it all over again for the P3D4 upgrade, so I vowed not to buy it and go with Ifly.  With the credit for the future NGX, however, I'm somewhat tempted to get it.

In your opinion, is the NGXu *that* much better than the current 737 NG?

Thanks.

Dave

As far as I can tell you cannot turn of Dymanic Lights in the VC of the NGXu.

I turned on all the VC lights and the exterior lights at night while in the air and nothing but dark sky in front of me.

I then turned dymanic lights on and off via the P3D GUI under the lighting tab.

Couldn't see any difference and the FPS didn't change.

However at the gate its a different story turning DL off increased FPS a lot but I am sure that's the Terminal

not the aircraft. It's definitely better looking than the NGX. It seems to feel a little less like its on rails.

I always got a better sense of actually flying with the Zibo. I have mixed feeling about it. I like my NGX and 777.

they are great addons. I tend to forget a lot of stuff and have to restudy to maintain ability to loosely follow produre

with them. I'm no novice but there are plenty of people in here that are far ahead of me with them and having said that

i'd say the NGX and NGXu are the same aircraft. But they should be. I bought it thinking I was buying the NG3 for MSFS

I wouldn't have even considered buying an upgraded NGX for P3D. The next day PMDG announced that the NG3 (DLC for an entertainment

flight sim) would be ~$140. I honestly thought It couldn't be more than the $100 I already spent. I love the birds but I don't know how PMDG can keep

at straight face. They must think we where all born yesterday. Well I suppose many here where!🤣

EDIT:

Here's a couple of performance comparisons between the 2 at about same spot and view. Not much in the FPS by day. But by night with DL its considerable.

Might be my video card mem 1080ti. I'll check and report back

 

 

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by Avidean
Add FPS shoots

So I can confirm that in the same place as the shoots above Turning on all the VC lights and exterirs on the NGXu with my setting will get your 1080ti GPU from about 70% to bouncing off the 99% usage dropping the FPS from 27 to about 18. But it looks great. I wonder would a 2080ti be any better.

Thanks for the info, Avidean.