7 minutes ago, Baber20 said:

 

There are people who are psychic. At least they believe it.

Edited November 13, 20196 yr by Pitbull2504

3 hours ago, Pitbull2504 said:

it is currently a small market, but it has reasons.

Previously you needed a very good computer and good hardware. The graphics were always pretty poor in comparison. It has provided for most short-term entertainment. Finding a new plane was not easy for a beginner. 

I am confident that the market can and will grow. 

You’re absolutely right, and I’m the first to hope so.
However, the vast majority of the players who will be on the X019 are waiting for the other AAA or third-party games. This is a fact...

23 minutes ago, guibru said:

This is a fact

Reaaaaallllyyyyyyy?

41 minutes ago, guibru said:

This is a fact...

Get your facts right then. MSFS premiere at this years E3 was such well received and gained an insane amount of traction hence the E3 trailer reaching an astounding 5 million views. That is no easy feat. Take some time to scroll through the comment section of that trailer and other videos. You will see ALOT of non simmers genuinely interested in this sim. Some want to fly over their house and some are simply blown away by the graphics. I mean I myself had trouble believing that the e3 trailer was captured in real time. Looked like a cgi. If you are an active reddit user, then you already know this that whenever someone posts an Insider update on Xbox subreddit(with the screenshot ofc), people have to pick their jaws off the floor. Its getting an insane amount of praise in the xbox community aswell. So I highly doubt MSFS will be an afterthought at X019. 

The game market nowadays is vastly different from what it used to be. Games have become a disposable product.

The good reception FS20 had at E3 is entirely due imo to two reasons.

People under 20 which is the main audience for E3 or X019 have, for the bigger part, never used a flight simulator before, FSX dates back to 2006. Since then, no major evolution has been brought to the genre. The switch to 64bit was only relevant for hardcore users but wasn't significant enough to make it a game changer or bring new people to the hobby. For young people today, FS20 is probably the first time they've heard about a real flight simulator. Before that they were happy using whatever plane was available in their favourite game which for the vast majority don't even come close to anything  you can call real or accurate. Some will like the challenge to learn something new and challenge themselves with a real simulation.

Secondly, what people found appealing in the trailer was the amazing graphics displayed which today is one of the main selling point for any game. Show fsx or P3D with all the addons you want to a teenager today, It will no impress him one bit. FS20 has changed that. That got people's attention.

Will it change something for the long term of the hobby ? I don't think so. Of all the newcomers to flight simulation that FS20 will bring, the vast majority will play the game for a bit, do all the missions that come with it (if they add missions), they 'll go check their house in game and then they'll move on to another game. Only a few will stick to the hobby.

 

3 hours ago, Baber20 said:

Get your facts right then. MSFS premiere at this years E3 was such well received and gained an insane amount of traction hence the E3 trailer reaching an astounding 5 million views.

Check it`s 3.27 million not 5 as of today.l

3 hours ago, rjfry said:

Check it`s 3.27 million not 5 as of today.l

4.9 million (3.27m is the number of people subscribed to the Xbox channel). 
 

just for balance - halo infinite is also on 4.9m, cyberpunk is 7.3m, Star Wars Jedi: fallen order - 9.4m. 

Edited November 14, 20196 yr by Superdelphinus

Seems like the event will start at 7pm GMT and live streams will be available at mixer.

10 hours ago, 238932 said:

People under 20 which is the main audience for E3

Will it change something for the long term of the hobby ? I don't think so. Of all the newcomers to flight simulation that FS20 will bring, the vast majority will play the game for a bit, do all the missions that come with it (if they add missions), they 'll go check their house in game and then they'll move on to another game. Only a few will stick to the hobby.

And this comes from where exactly? The good old avsim concept that simulators are for manly true captains and everything else is for kiddies?
There are tons of players of all ages playing videogames, surveys shows that the average age for both female and male players is over 30.

Finally for the last sentence, which also smells of elitism, i want to ask: how did you start? Didn't we all start exactly like that? By having a general interest for aviation and finding out about a "simulator" which promised us to make us experience the joy of flight with a much smaller investment, no medical checkups and while comfortably sitting on a chair?

Back then too younger people and those who had no clue about flight simulators approached one for the first time. Some liked it and continued to use it, some did not. Nothing change except this awful elitist attitude i mostly find only on Avsim from certain users.

Edited November 14, 20196 yr by france89

Interesting... X019, as we know, is all about Xbox gaming, gaming & gaming, as one of Microsoft's spokesperson has stated. we also know that Project Scarlet will not be released until later next year. 

Has MSFS thus been acknowledged as being a game, if it is shown at an Xbox Gaming exhibition? 

Asking for a friend! 

57 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Interesting... X019, as we know, is all about Xbox gaming, gaming & gaming, as one of Microsoft's spokesperson has stated. we also know that Project Scarlet will not be released until later next year. 

Has MSFS thus been acknowledged as being a game, if it is shown at an Xbox Gaming exhibition? 

Asking for a friend! 

All Microsoft Flight Simulator releases have always been games.

Years of debates.. At last! A definitive answer! 

2 hours ago, Wobbie said:

Interesting... X019, as we know, is all about Xbox gaming, gaming & gaming, as one of Microsoft's spokesperson has stated. we also know that Project Scarlet will not be released until later next year. 

Has MSFS thus been acknowledged as being a game, if it is shown at an Xbox Gaming exhibition? 

Asking for a friend! 

It is a sophisticated game within the simulation genre.

It's a shame that the word "game" has become synonymous (in some circles) with "kiddie stuff". In reality, the last time that computer games were almost exclusively played by "kids" was the 1980s when those of us who can remember it were bathing in the wonderful (and maybe even mythical as far as millennials are concerned) world of sub 640k RAM nirvana. In other words, calling the new Microsoft Flight Simulator a "game" should not be seen as an offensive remark by the flight simulation community. It should be seen as a confirmation that flight simulation is very much a part of the multi billion dollar gaming industry. A part that is open to everyone.

Edited November 14, 20196 yr by Christopher Low

Wise words Christopher. 

It is what it is, indeed. 

Take Game Theory, as an example.. 

The word 'Game' is there... But it's a lot more.. 

But this is getting away from this forum's topic.