So I guess for FSX I can hold on to my 580. What a difference when the application takes advantage of the GPU!

If you happen to be using SGSS then 10% improvement, other wise just 2 or 3 %.

 

I did notice everything a bit more snappier though, and image quality seemed better.

 

Absolutely awesome for games like BF3

If you happen to be using SGSS then 10% improvement, other wise just 2 or 3 %.

 

I did notice everything a bit more snappier though, and image quality seemed better.

 

Absolutely awesome for games like BF3

Hell yeah ! BF4 multiplayer beta was running at a rock solid 60fps on 780 with ultra settings ! Didn't try BF3 though.

Just upgraded from GTX 580 to GTX 780.

 

Both tested with same cfg settings ( using Word Not Allowed's tweaks ) and same in-game graphics settings with every slider maxed out except for water.

 

Running at stock Intel Core i7 3930K @ 3.2 Ghz with Hyperthreading on. ( Affinity Mask 84 )

 

Scenery - Flytampa Dubai Rebooted 2.0

Aircraft - PMDG 777-200LRF

View - Inside 3d cockpit > 0.80 Zoom > Wide view 

 

Frame rates-

GTX 580 - 20 ( With mouse cursor on the screen )

GTX 780 - 27 ( With mouse cursor on the screen )

 

Money well spent !

 

why did you test with mouse cursor on the screen?

 

Given that the frame rate drop with cursor on the screen is a bug, I think it's would have been better if you had tested without the cursor on the screen. In other words, while not in a buggy scenario. All you've demonstrated is that the 780 can handler the mouse cursor on the screen better than the 580. Not necessarily that it can generate a 30% improvement with it off the screen. 

 

I say that, because my experience jumping from a 580 to 770 superclocked demonstrated only a minimal frame rate increase of 2-3%, 10% with SGSS. You seem to be seeing more like 30%. I know you have a 780, but I wouldn't have thought it was capable of such an improvement. 

why did you test with mouse cursor on the screen?

 

Given that the frame rate drop with cursor on the screen is a bug, I think it's would have been better if you had tested without the cursor on the screen. In other words, while not in a buggy scenario. All you've demonstrated is that the 780 can handler the mouse cursor on the screen better than the 580. Not necessarily that it can generate a 30% improvement with it off the screen. 

 

I say that, because my experience jumping from a 580 to 770 superclocked demonstrated only a minimal frame rate increase of 2-3%, 10% with SGSS. You seem to be seeing more like 30%. I know you have a 780, but I wouldn't have thought it was capable of such an improvement. 

 

 

My guess is that the GTX 780 is better than the GTX 770 and more capable of producing a significant increase in FPS per FSX.

 

From the research I have read, the 780 (especially the overclockable EVGA version) is similiar to the Titan in performance.  The 780 also shares the design and architecture of the Titan.   

 

The 770 is a maxed out 600 series card with a design structure similiar to the 680.  This could be significant difference.

 

Atleast, this is what I have gathered from reviews of both cards.

 

B.

My guess is that the GTX 780 is better than the GTX 770 and more capable of producing a significant increase in FPS per FSX.

 

From the research I have read, the 780 (especially the overclockable EVGA version) is similiar to the Titan in performance.  The 780 also shares the design and architecture of the Titan.   

 

The 770 is a maxed out 600 series card with a design structure similiar to the 680.  This could be significant difference.

 

Atleast, this is what I have gathered from reviews of both cards.

 

B.

I agree. Also just to add, I have a superclocked version of GTX 780 from EVGA which comes with the ACX cooler.

I agree. Also just to add, I have a superclocked version of GTX 780 from EVGA which comes with the ACX cooler.

Yes gentlemen, but my point is that the results you posted may not be valid at all, because you only demonstrated that your card can cope with the mouse cursor bug better.

 

It's a strange thing to do, to test while the sim is in a buggy state.

 

What were your AA settings at the time? I found it was at higher settings that a more significant improvement was realised.

 

What made you test with the cusor on screen? When I tested I was carefull to make sure it was OFF the screen. I was also carefull to give the sim time to stabalise.The trick is to go to an outside view, pan around a few times and then back to the VC. When you do that, frame rate will drop, and then after a delay revert to a stable frame rate.

How do you measure the FPS? By just looking at the counter while stationary? Paused?

I've just put in the EVGA 780 superclocked instead of my old 470 and ran a lengthy benchmark with FRAPS several times.

If you don't use BP=0 you'll get an improvement always. If you however use BP=0 and lock @ 30FPS you'll rarely see much difference. Yes it will handle AA better seen in the cases the old GPU made it dip below 30 fps. But most of the time I dip below 30FPS its due to the CPU.

Yes gentlemen, but my point is that the results you posted may not be valid at all, because you only demonstrated that your card can cope with the mouse cursor bug better.

 

It's a strange thing to do, to test while the sim is in a buggy state.

 

What were your AA settings at the time? I found it was at higher settings that a more significant improvement was realised.

 

What made you test with the cusor on screen? When I tested I was carefull to make sure it was OFF the screen. I was also carefull to give the sim time to stabalise.The trick is to go to an outside view, pan around a few times and then back to the VC. When you do that, frame rate will drop, and then after a delay revert to a stable frame rate.

I am always using mouse for flying. Don't have a joystick. 8xS AA was set through nvidia inspector.

Not sure why you are making yourself suffer a considerable reduction in frame rate and huge inconvenience for the sake of a cheap joystick, but there you go.

 

I don't wish to upset you or be rude, but Sorry, I suspect your testing protocol was invalid. Makes no sense to test while the sim is in a buggy, mouse cursor on screen, state. It tells us nothing about how your card is handling the sim in normal conditions. As I said, only that the 780 handles the mouse cursor bug better.

Your AA is also low. Even if your frame rates were 300% greater than mine you shouldn't have seen more than 9% increase in frame rate, not 27%, not with such low AA..

I have demonstrated, that its at higher AA settings that the benefits of a more powerful card are manifest in FSX. Others have confirmed this in other threads.

 

As I say, I don't wish to get on your case, your decision to test before and after the upgrade and post about it was laudable, but it is important to objectively test, and do our best to provide valid results. It's also important for us to challenge those results if we feel they could be in error. This is important, because we need to make sure we aren't encouraging others to upgrade based on faulty data.

Not sure why you are making yourself suffer a considerable reduction in frame rate and huge inconvenience for the sake of a cheap joystick, but there you go.

 

I don't wish to upset you or be rude, but Sorry, I suspect your testing protocol was invalid. Makes no sense to test while the sim is in a buggy, mouse cursor on screen, state. It tells us nothing about how your card is handling the sim in normal conditions. As I said, only that the 780 handles the mouse cursor bug better.

 

Your AA is also low. Even if your frame rates were 300% greater than mine you shouldn't have seen more than 9% increase in frame rate, not 27%, not with such low AA..

 

I have demonstrated, that its at higher AA settings that the benefits of a more powerful card are manifest in FSX. Others have confirmed this in other threads.

 

As I say, I don't wish to get on your case, your decision to test before and after the upgrade and post about it was laudable, but it is important to objectively test, and do our best to provide valid results. It's also important for us to challenge those results if we feel they could be in error. This is important, because we need to make sure we aren't encouraging others to upgrade based on faulty data.

I DON'T care if there is $10 dollar joystick out there. I just prefer flying with a mouse and my testing isn't providing any faulty data. Just because the mouse cursor brings down frame rates alot DOESN'T mean that any testing that uses mouse cursor on the screen is incorrect. Even if you remove that variable of mouse cursor on the screen, we'll be getting a new set of frame rates for each graphic card but that 7 fps difference will be the same give or take 1-2 fps. Just because you're getting crappy frame rates on your system doesn't give you any rights to go on a rampage and start challenging others. I am NOT encouraging anyone to get a 780 right away. I am just happy that I got a huge improvement and wanted to share my experience with you guys. At the end of the day, it's your money and your choice if you want to get a 780. Nobody is forcing you to get one. And if you're going to say that 'omg you got 26% improvement and I am getting only 9% and I hate you because you made me buy it' then you are just plain stupid I am sorry.

I DON'T care if there is $10 dollar joystick out there. I just prefer flying with a mouse and my testing isn't providing any faulty data. Just because the mouse cursor brings down frame rates alot DOESN'T mean that any testing that uses mouse cursor on the screen is incorrect.

 

 

Actually, I would say it does. Simply because the rest of us don't fly around all day with the mouse cursor on screen. So your results aren't applicable to almost everyone else.

 

Even if you remove that variable of mouse cursor on the screen, we'll be getting a new set of frame rates for each graphic card but that 7 fps difference will be the same give or take 1-2 fps.

 

 

Actually, no, you can't say that. Just because your see an extra 7 frames per second WITH the mouse cursor on the screen, doesn't mean the same will apply with it NOT on the screen. It could simply be that your card is coping with the mouse cursor bug better.

 

Just because you're getting crappy frame rates on your system doesn't give you any rights to go on a rampage and start challenging others.

 

 

Huh... I'm not, look at my results above. I get fantastic frame rate in FSX. Did you not read my posts above? I call 45 frames per second, with no stutters, in atrocious weather, at EGLL, in the NGX fantastic don't you? This is not about competing with each other. At 55 I'm not that silly.

 

What rampage? I have simply questioned, in  a polite way, your testing methods and results. You can't expect everyone to always agree with you. If you post on an open forum, others will comment.

 

I am NOT encouraging anyone to get a 780 right away. I am just happy that I got a huge improvement and wanted to share my experience with you guys.

 

 

I'm sure your not, but when other forum members, who are desperate for higher frame rate, see your post proclaiming a 27% increase in frame rate, they may be tempted to buy a new card, on that basis. Therefore it is valid that we question you if we think you may have tested incorrectly, or your results not valid.

 

And if you're going to say that 'omg you got 26% improvement and I am getting only 9% and I hate you because you made me buy it' then you are just plain stupid I am sorry.

 

 

Not the point! Surely you can see how others might be encouraged to buy a new card based on your results... whether you intended that or not?

 

And why it's important that we don't ACCIDENTALLY mislead.

 

No reason for you to get stroppy at all. I have been nothing but polite.

 

Something else I've noticed, is that when the sim first fires up, I see 5 frames per second higher. This isn't the time to test. It's necessary to spin around in an outside view a few times, and then back to the VC. It's then necessary to wait for the sim to stabilise. The resulting frame rate will be approximately 5 frames per second lower than when you first fire up.

 

Which frame rate monitor did you use?

Which airport?

What sort of weather?

 

So many variables to consider.

Ok,  As a third person, I would say, lets chill a little and have fun! 

 

I would also like to point out that BOTH of you have added USEFULL information!!!!  B)

 

Plus, I would point out that no one should run out and get new hardware based on ONE post.

That is just silly!   There are just to many different variables.  You really need to base your opinion on MANY user accounts from

different sources!

 

I have been researching these cards for my new computer (770, 780, 760).   Believe me, its hard to get good information

especailly related to FSX for each of these cards!.   That is why I greatly appreciate both of your input!! 

 

Thanks!

b.

Ok,  As a third person, I would say, lets chill a little and have fun! 

 

 

Precisely. No idea why someone has to get stroppy. Personally I welcome it when others challenge my views, that's the way we learn.

 

Plus, I would point out that no one should run out and get new hardware based on ONE post.

 

 

 I moderate another forum, has happened there. Followed by regrets. There are many that don't do sufficient research, too eager to buy, they do a quick check on a forum get all excited and dive in. Us old codgers less so, it's usually younger individuals in my experience. Makes sense to challenge claims if we think they are erroneous. And off course everyone has a right to do so. It's an open forum, I wouldn't mind at all if someone wanted to challenge my methodology and results. The truth is what it's all about, what really is feasible, not what we think is the case, or would like to be the case. 

 

That is why I greatly appreciate both of your input!! 

 

 

Here's some input for you... the EVGA ACX cooler is excellent! Even running a stress test the fans only moderately ramp up and temp is low. EVGA have done a great job with this cooler, it's very quiet too.

 

I've ordered the EVGA back plate, drops the temps by a very small margin, just a couple of degrees, but I'm getting it for aesthetic reasons really, and because it keeps the dust of the rear of the PCB. Better when handling too, less chance of zapping something with static.

Here's some input for you... the EVGA ACX cooler is excellent! Even running a stress test the fans only moderately ramp up and temp is low. EVGA have done a great job with this cooler, it's very quiet too.

 

I've ordered the EVGA back plate, drops the temps by a very small margin, just a couple of degrees, but I'm getting it for aesthetic reasons really, and because it keeps the dust of the rear of the PCB. Better when handling too, less chance of zapping something with static.

I have EVGA GTX 780 with ACX Cooler. I just want to point out that recently I am getting quite alot of 'Nvidia driver 3xx.xx stopped working and has recovered' errors. This also includes random hangs and BSODs. First I thought that it might be because of the overclock but then I downclocked the graphics card and still getting the same error. Here is the funny part. It doesn't happens when playing games. Only happens when you are browsing the net, watching a video on youtube or using any other 2d application or just even listening to a song on music players. The errors are quite random. I did a quick search on the EVGA forums and I see that quite a lot of people are facing the same issues. Now I am not sure if it's the GPU itself or crappy nvidia drivers.

 

Also to add, this gpu comes with a very nice factory overclock and I am really really happy with the temps. But these random errors are getting quite annoying.

 

Personally I would recommend to hold tight and wait for GTX 780 Ti to arrive. Don't go for the EVGA GTX 780 ACX version just yet because people are facing problems with that gpu. GTX 780 Ti will be around the same price of the current 780 and will offer more performance. It's getting released in mid november.