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Want historical aircraft and airports?

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For historical airports this would probably fall into the realm of 3rd party developers.  Not sure how you would load such an airport in the new UI but it sounds feasible.  As soon as you leave the old airport scenery however you would be back into the current Bing scenery.  But the notion does seem doable.  

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19 hours ago, A3bilbaNEO said:

If its true that you can import aircraft from FSX to FS2020, then i really want to try that with all the historical aircraft that were originally included in FS2004, most of which had their MDL file updated later to work with FSX, so i guess that shouldn't be hard to do.

That would be awesome 🤞

21 hours ago, bean_sprout said:

 As soon as you leave the old airport scenery however you would be back into the current Bing scenery...

Much like what happens with current sims... it would be extremely difficult to have period photoscenery... :happy:

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17 hours ago, HighBypass said:

Much like what happens with current sims... it would be extremely difficult to have period photoscenery... :happy:

A time machine might be able to solve that, so one could argue it's just a matter of time before we have historical scenery😕

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13 minutes ago, orchestra_nl said:

so one could argue it's just a matter of time before we have historical scenery

If you wait long enough, the scenery we have now will be historical. 😄

I still miss Meigs Field.

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7 minutes ago, LHookins said:

If you wait long enough, the scenery we have now will be historical. 😄

 

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In time, we may well have historical scenery, but you won't have any photoreal scenery showing how things looked from the 1920s say, apart from individual airfields.

Mark Robinson

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3 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

In time, we may well have historical scenery, but you won't have any photoreal scenery showing how things looked from the 1920s say, apart from individual airfields.

Flying in the 20's was a lot of airmail.  They flew at night.

Avoid large airports.  Use an aircraft that doesn't have radio navigation aids or ignore them.  Don't use the radio.  If you wish, ignore the modern interstate highway system... or not.  Fly along railroad tracks.   Obviously no GPS.

You may have to find and install airports that have since been closed.  You may have to add light beacons that were used by airmail pilots.  You'll probably have to find a period aircraft to fly.

It's only slightly different flying in the 30's and 40's.  And we'll still need period aircraft.  It's not all THAT different, and most differences can easily be ignored.

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Larry your points are perfectly valid, but I was alluding to the differences in urban sprawl etc.less roads, even if one ignores freeways, less buildings, different buildings. 

I just plucked 1920s out of the air (pun intended), but it could just as easily be the 1960s or in fact any time up to the point where satellite or aerial shots in full colour and adequate detail became widely available for sim developers to incorporate.

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47 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Flying in the 20's was a lot of airmail.  They flew at night.

Avoid large airports.  Use an aircraft that doesn't have radio navigation aids or ignore them.  Don't use the radio.  If you wish, ignore the modern interstate highway system... or not.  Fly along railroad tracks.   Obviously no GPS.

You may have to find and install airports that have since been closed.  You may have to add light beacons that were used by airmail pilots.  You'll probably have to find a period aircraft to fly.

It's only slightly different flying in the 30's and 40's.  And we'll still need period aircraft.  It's not all THAT different, and most differences can easily be ignored.

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Something which would be missing is the suite of large concrete arrows on the ground ➡️. A DLC 😀?

 

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1 hour ago, HighBypass said:

I was alluding to the differences in urban sprawl etc.less roads, even if one ignores freeways, less buildings, different buildings.

I agree, and if it were possible I'd love to see historical scenery.  But to be honest I wouldn't know the difference, and I don't have historical charts anyway. 😄 

I was doing airmail flights in a Stearman based on airmail route maps I found online.  They weren't exactly detailed. 🙂  Many early flights were done using Rand-McNally road maps and as long as they match the terrain they'll still be good.

 

54 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Something which would be missing is the suite of large concrete arrows on the ground ➡️. A DLC 😀?

Oo!  Forgot about those!  Some of them still exist, we'll have to go looking for them in the sim.

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And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

What about Radio Range? we already have that, as well as a sextant. Radio Range is a great add-on for realism when flying the mail run. The sextant works as well.

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1 hour ago, LHookins said:

   I don't have historical charts anyway.  

 

Here we go, a map of the Contract Air Mail Routes  😉 

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oops, it seems one cannot click on it to enlarge it ! A larger version  https://flic.kr/p/2jfypsH

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Here we go, a map of the Contract Air Mail Routes 

Yup, already had that one, and several others.  Like I said, not very detailed. 😄

If you're flying from Winslow to Albuquerque, for example, what exactly is your route?  You can't tell from those maps.  You only have departure and destination.

Edit:  Found the original.  Those were routes between 1925 and 1930, terminated in 1934.

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Edited by LHookins

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And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

 

40 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Yup, already had that one, and several others.  Like I said, not very detailed. 😄

 

You have some detailed routes here https://www.dreamsmithphotos.com/arrow/airmail_routes.html

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