Hey! Who has the NGX and recommends it? Can anyone tell me if it's going to be hard for a default 737 player to switch over to the NGX??? Also, it seems to be the most realistic of all the planes I've been considering... Can anyone also tell me how the Level D 767 (if they have those) and how the Captain Sim 767 757 777 (if they have those) and how the Quality Wings 757 and which one is better of the 3 brands? Thanks.

Edited September 24, 201114 yr by linux731

If you want realism, get the NGX. It is a steep learning curve, but that's why you don't get to be an ATP licensed pilot in 1 week. You can pretty much find out anything you want about flying it from the included documentation.

Get the NGX. It will take some learning, but it's fun and worth it. The Level D 767 is old, and it shows. CS is all eye candy, and QW's motto is 'complexity simplified', ergo dumbed down.

Hey! Who has the NGX and recommends it? Can anyone tell me if it's going to be hard for a default 737 player to switch over to the NGX??? Also, it seems to be the most realistic of all the planes I've been considering... Can anyone also tell me how the Level D 767 777 and 757 (if they have those) and how the Captain Sim 767 757 777 (if they have those) and how the Quality Wings 767 757 777 (if they have those) and which one is better of the 3 brands? Thanks.

If you can fly the default 737, you can fly the PMDG one. Sure, you'll have more systems to learn, such as the FMC, but that's why you're into flight simming in the first place right? In any case, it's not hard since there is a good manual which takes you through it all, which comes with the PMDG 737, and there is a tutorial flight covered in the manual to get you up to speed as well. Quite frankly, apart from the level of realism which A2A are currently going for on things such as their B-17 and B377 (and possibly a few other odd aeroplanes here and there), there really is no equal to the PMDG 737 NG and certainly nothing which surpasses it, it is quite literally the dog's bollox of simulated airliners, and it's great value as well. If you like airliners and want all of their complexity, you will not be sorry if you buy it. As far as Level D, Quality Wings and Captain sim are concerned. Here's the quick and dirty guide: Captain Sim: Older aircraft and very detailed VCs in them is their forte, such as the non-FMC Boeing 707, 727 and 737 and their C-130 Hercules, all of which are very good and worth checking out. Their 757 is comprehensive, but it's an FPS hog on anything other than a good PC and not everyone is a fan of its flight model. Their support used to be crap, which means some people don't like them, but these days they have their act together, so don't be put off by older opinions. But... wait until they have a sale (which they do regularly, often at Christmas), where they generally put everything except their latest product on sale for ten quid. I have pretty much everything they have made and have reviewed both their 707 and 727 for Avsim, and with the odd minor caveat, I would say they were all worth getting at some point. Level D: For a long time their 767 was the best FMC-equipped airliner you could get for either FS9 or FSX, but it is showing its age graphically these days, and again, it can be an FPS hog on older systems. Nevertheless, as old as it is, it is still a very good simulation of the 767, and probably a better one than Captain Sim's 767 in everything other than the looks department. Their support can be a bit abrupt on occasion, but it is decent, especially on the Flight 1 forum, and since you can buy the Level D 767 via Flight 1, you could effectively try it with little risk, since Flight 1 has a no quibbles refund policy. If you can live with the less than modern standards of its VC, then theirs is still one of the best airliners you can get for FS, with certainly one of the best simulations of the Pegasus FMC. Quality Wings: They focus on the pilot experience and high FPS, i.e., since an airliner is a two-crew operation, you will find they eschew some of the functions in the cockpit in order to simulate your role as the Captain, rather than you having to do two people's jobs. This does not mean their aeroplane is a 'lite'simulation of the real aircraft in the same way as the default FS aeroplanes often are, but if you want to flip every switch, they they are not for you. If on the other hand you want a pretty realistic experience, then it will float your boat and you won't find many people saying bad things about them, or their support. Al

If you want realism, get the NGX. It is a steep learning curve, but that's why you don't get to be an ATP licensed pilot in 1 week. You can pretty much find out anything you want about flying it from the included documentation.

Thanks for the expert recommendation!

Get the NGX. It will take some learning, but it's fun and worth it. The Level D 767 is old, and it shows. CS is all eye candy, and QW's motto is 'complexity simplified', ergo dumbed down.

"Eye-candy"? What is that mean? OK, so QW is out and so is Level D, but until I get a response from you I don't know your opinions on the CS. Anyway, both of you watch

this, and see that he uses a Level D 767. I think the quality isn't so bad, right?

If you can fly the default 737, you can fly the PMDG one. Sure, you'll have more systems to learn, such as the FMC, but that's why you're into flight simming in the first place right? In any case, it's not hard since there is a good manual which takes you through it all, which comes with the PMDG 737, and there is a tutorial flight covered in the manual to get you up to speed as well. Quite frankly, apart from the level of realism which A2A are currently going for on things such as their B-17 and B377 (and possibly a few other odd aeroplanes here and there), there really is no equal to the PMDG 737 NG and certainly nothing which surpasses it, it is quite literally the dog's bollox of simulated airliners, and it's great value as well. If you like airliners and want all of their complexity, you will not be sorry if you buy it. As far as Level D, Quality Wings and Captain sim are concerned. Here's the quick and dirty guide: Captain Sim: Older aircraft and very detailed VCs in them is their forte, such as the non-FMC Boeing 707, 727 and 737 and their C-130 Hercules, all of which are very good and worth checking out. Their 757 is comprehensive, but it's an FPS hog on anything other than a good PC and not everyone is a fan of its flight model. Their support used to be crap, which means some people don't like them, but these days they have their act together, so don't be put off by older opinions. But... wait until they have a sale (which they do regularly, often at Christmas), where they generally put everything except their latest product on sale for ten quid. I have pretty much everything they have made and have reviewed both their 707 and 727 for Avsim, and with the odd minor caveat, I would say they were all worth getting at some point. Level D: For a long time their 767 was the best FMC-equipped airliner you could get for either FS9 or FSX, but it is showing its age graphically these days, and again, it can be an FPS hog on older systems. Nevertheless, as old as it is, it is still a very good simulation of the 767, and probably a better one than Captain Sim's 767 in everything other than the looks department. Their support can be a bit abrupt on occasion, but it is decent, especially on the Flight 1 forum, and since you can buy the Level D 767 via Flight 1, you could effectively try it with little risk, since Flight 1 has a no quibbles refund policy. If you can live with the less than modern standards of its VC, then theirs is still one of the best airliners you can get for FS, with certainly one of the best simulations of the Pegasus FMC. Quality Wings: They focus on the pilot experience and high FPS, i.e., since an airliner is a two-crew operation, you will find they eschew some of the functions in the cockpit in order to simulate your role as the Captain, rather than you having to do two people's jobs. This does not mean their aeroplane is a 'lite'simulation of the real aircraft in the same way as the default FS aeroplanes often are, but if you want to flip every switch, they they are not for you. If on the other hand you want a pretty realistic experience, then it will float your boat and you won't find many people saying bad things about them, or their support. Al

Yep. I'm guessing PMDG is the way to go. Thanks a lot, but just for interest watch the video I put above.

Hey! Who has the NGX and recommends it? Can anyone tell me if it's going to be hard for a default 737 player to switch over to the NGX??? Also, it seems to be the most realistic of all the planes I've been considering... Thanks.

I have the "NGX" and it's a pleasure: I recommend it. Also consider the MD-11, for it is a "special" aeroplane. You will have to do some reading!!!!!

OK, after all the feedback here, I'm guessing I'll go with the PMDG. But, TBH, I think I wanted to test out a "heavy" (NOT a 747, just a 767 or 777). Is there a good one out there? NOT from Captain Sim, QW, or LD?

Edited September 25, 201114 yr by linux731

OK, after all the feedback here, I'm guessing I'll go with the PMDG. But, TBH, I think I wanted to test out a "heavy" (NOT a 747, just a 767 or 777). Is there a good one out there? NOT from Captain Sim, QW, or LD?

The MD-11 is a "heavy" and, it's PMDG. There are quite a few of us MD-11 "lovers" on here. Try it if you have the money. AOA has a video training course for it.

I am a PMDG fan but i am also a Captainsim Fan Thier new 707 is really awsome and visualy stunning, and I think their upcoming 737 100/200 is going to look real good and be a great addon as well, however PMDG has done something real special with the NGX, No one else that i see so far will be able to beat it Learning new systems and procedures of this plane is not hard and is a lot of fun once you get a flow going I would recommend the NGX to anyone

The MD-11 is a "heavy" and, it's PMDG. There are quite a few of us MD-11 "lovers" on here. Try it if you have the money. AOA has a video training course for it.

Is the 737 a heavy? And did you get my message?

Is the 737 a heavy? And did you get my message?

Yes I received your message and, I just P.M.d you.

Anything over 250,000lbs with passengers, cargo and fuel on board is designated a heavy, so the 737 is not a heavy, since even the 900ER does not approach that weight, although it is roughly the same size as a Boeing 707 (which is classed as a heavy). There are a few exceptions to the rule, notably the Boeing 757, which weighs just a tad over that 250,000lbs at MTOW, although later versions weigh more. It was given the heavy designation because it creates a lot of wake turbulence, and that really is the point of the heavy designation, so that ATC know not to put another aircraft too close behind a heavy, lest it be flipped over by the turbulence. Al

Is the 737 a heavy? http://forum.avsim.n...series-a-heavy/ http://www.precision...oduct/md11.html http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/ngx.html

Anything over 250,000lbs with passengers, cargo and fuel on board is designated a heavy, so the 737 is not a heavy, since even the 900ER does not approach that weight, although it is roughly the same size as a Boeing 707 (which is classed as a heavy). There are a few exceptions to the rule, notably the Boeing 757, which weighs just a tad over that 250,000lbs at MTOW, although later versions weigh more. It was given the heavy designation because it creates a lot of wake turbulence, and that really is the point of the heavy designation, so that ATC know not to put another aircraft too close behind a heavy, lest it be flipped over by the turbulence. Al

I was typing when you were typing. Thanks for clearing that up.