And as far as I always understood PMDG's explanations that's what you can't do in FS. You don't know exactly where the precipitations are in the sim, so you can't draw anything accordinlgy. While on a commercial flight sim the WX radar draws precipitations where the sim in fact simulates the precipitations.

For the record, I've always thought the best WX radar was using my eyes and peeking out the windscreen... But I'm old school! Ha!P.S. Luca - Any relation to the shotgun manufacturers?Cheers!Buddy Morgan

I'm not skirting around anything, you cry and whine about people taking space here, making it oh so very painful for you to sift thru yet your doing the same thing. I suggest you just shut your hole and quit whining. People wait here for updates and in doing so they tend to talk about other things. So be it, it passes the time and does so in a positive way. I spend tons of free time on this forum helping people, and then I spend a small fraction of which cracking an innocent joke. If you don't like it, leave, because I spend an even smaller amount of my time replying to morons, so that said...

Totally uncalled for and makes you sound like a bigot.Cheers.frank

Totally uncalled for and makes you sound like a bigot.

Hey Frank.Both of them let it drop. Unnecessary to pick it up again.It's also totally uncalled for, when people take up position in an argument that they were not even involved in the first place.So let us just get back on topic of the magnificent airplane that is about to roll out of the hangar.I second Dan's question:

Just curious, but will the NGX have extras in the airfile for things like Belly landings & ditching? It's nice to have the option to do rather than it just sinking into the water or runway and having FSX just detect a crash. I don't think it's modeled in the queen, have never tested it on the JS41, but I once was able to do a belly landing with the MD-11. I had to of course since FSP often gives no gear as one of the major failures.

Ok I think just about anything posted here is going to get blown out of proportion because peoples patience is growing thin, if you look at the posts are in question, someone made a comment about if PMDG will create some type of difference in the sound based on how hard one lands. I replied to that as being a good idea and then with the already mentioned Buttkicker I concured with it and explained how it picks up audio and how it would serve a great purpose for those that have it. In doing so I made jokes in my reference to the buttkicker, calling it different name. I didn't create a new post to make jokes, I just chose to do it and was not wrong in doing so one bit!I see how heated these posts can get and personally see no reason for it and normally crack a joke here and there to lighten things up. If someone chooses to read my full post (Or others that do the same, and there are more of them than the complainers - two if I counted correctly) rather than just move on then that is their choice. Personally when I am looking for an update from a moderator/PMDG staff member, I just scroll through the posts without reading and look for their highlighted name. Once I see, then I go back and choose what to or what not to read. None of this matters one bit, and people that think it just clogs up a topic or makes things hard to follow don't make sence to me.IF PMDG didn't want to hear thoughts they would and easily could lock a thread. I think they would rather see positive talk in their forum then the constant same old question of "When, when when when when". When I see that mentioned 10 times in a row I don't get bothered by it in the least, so don't think people should get bothered by it when someone says anything else.If what I said makes me sound like or makes me into a bigot than so be it. I stand by what I said and the reasoning behind any post I ever made. The main point here is no one makes anyone read anothers post, they choose to. Also people that post positive over negative anything (Topic related or not) aren't doing any harm. If it makes you need to scroll your mouse more than that's a small price to pay for something so innocent.I have done nothing that needs further explanation and am done feeding this witch hunt because some people just can't live without it being released now. We all want it to be released and it will be, nothing can be said to make this happen any faster.Edit* Sorry Alexander, we must have been typing at the same time :( I also want it dropped and just felt the need to put things in their rightful perspective.

Dan,I tried to PM you but could not. Is your inbox full?

Ok I think just about anything posted here is going to get blown out of proportion because peoples patience is growing thin, if you look at the posts are in question, someone made a comment about if PMDG will create some type of difference in the sound based on how hard one lands. I replied to that as being a good idea and then with the already mentioned Buttkicker I concured with it and explained how it picks up audio and how it would serve a great purpose for those that have it. In doing so I made jokes in my reference to the buttkicker, calling it different name. I didn't create a new post to make jokes, I just chose to do it and was not wrong in doing so one bit!I see how heated these posts can get and personally see no reason for it and normally crack a joke here and there to lighten things up. If someone chooses to read my full post (Or others that do the same, and there are more of them than the complainers - two if I counted correctly) rather than just move on then that is their choice. Personally when I am looking for an update from a moderator/PMDG staff member, I just scroll through the posts without reading and look for their highlighted name. Once I see, then I go back and choose what to or what not to read. None of this matters one bit, and people that think it just clogs up a topic or makes things hard to follow don't make sence to me.IF PMDG didn't want to hear thoughts they would and easily could lock a thread. I think they would rather see positive talk in their forum then the constant same old question of "When, when when when when". When I see that mentioned 10 times in a row I don't get bothered by it in the least, so don't think people should get bothered by it when someone says anything else.If what I said makes me sound like or makes me into a bigot than so be it. I stand by what I said and the reasoning behind any post I ever made. The main point here is no one makes anyone read anothers post, they choose to. Also people that post positive over negative anything (Topic related or not) aren't doing any harm. If it makes you need to scroll your mouse more than that's a small price to pay for something so innocent.I have done nothing that needs further explanation and am done feeding this witch hunt because some people just can't live without it being released now. We all want it to be released and it will be, nothing can be said to make this happen any faster.Edit* Sorry Alexander, we must have been typing at the same time :( I also want it dropped and just felt the need to put things in their rightful perspective.

Well said. Some people need to get over themselves

Lets talk about airplanes. They are more fun to talk about anyway (although I found Dans post on the Buttkisser to be quite entertaining to say the least)Getting ready to fly the new NGX, I have been reading up on its autoflight systems, and came here to see if someone can answer this question for me.What is the CWS for and when/why would you use it instead of the CMD?

If you used that logic in commercial flight simulators, no one would have weather radar simulation there either. But they do all the same. No one simulates WXR from weather as such, in commercial flight sims they create weather scenarios and paint WXR returns as appropriate.

And as far as I always understood PMDG's explanations that's what you can't do in FS. You don't know exactly where the precipitations are in the sim, so you can't draw anything accordinlgy. While on a commercial flight sim the WX radar draws precipitations where the sim in fact simulates the precipitations.And as far as I always understood PMDG's explanations that's what you can't do in FS. You don't know exactly where the precipitations are in the sim, so you can't draw anything accordinlgy. While on a commercial flight sim the WX radar draws precipitations where the sim in fact simulates the precipitations.

That's exactly my point - I wasn't trying to say that radar is never able to be simulated, I was saying that the simulation's "OS" if you will has to have accessible data on where certain things are in order to accurately simulate a radar beam going out and finding things, namely precipitation. Obviously a real 737 sim's OS is programmed with the ability to do this. If there was a way we knew of to do this in FS, we would - ACES themselves directly told us before they were closed that precip in the sim is largely just a graphical effect that the sim creates in certain situations, there's nothing available in SimConnect or otherwise that can tell our code where the rain actually is. Thus, you're left with guessing based on the location and types of clouds and stuff like that rather than knowing for sure where precip is. I have all the radars that have been released and I've seen all of them indicate precip where there actually isn't any when you go there. I've also seen really silly looking things happen where a huge line of cells will just disappear or appear out of nowhere because of the fundamentally unrealistic nature of the FS weather engine.Believe me our fingers are very much crossed that this stuff is addressed in MS Flight.

This is, as far as I'm aware, what CWS is...CWS stands for Control Wheel Steering, and is a way of flying the plane manually without the need to trim. If you fly an Airbus without the autopilot engaged and make a 30 degree bank to the left, then let go of the side-stick, the plane will automatically trim the ailerons to keep 30 degrees of bank, whereas on a Boeing if you make a turn without a CMD mode engaged on the AP and let go, the wings will gradually roll back. However, if you decide to engage the CWS mode, the plane starts to behave like an Airbus would and makes aileron/elevator trim adjustments as you make yoke inputs - the plane is literally controlling your wheel-steering so to speak.I myself have never bothered using it, and I believe the CMD mode trips to CWS if you try to take manual control of the plane while the autopilot is engaged, however I have heard that it isn't massively popular with real-life pilots and isn't part of regular operation (or so I'm made to believe).Don't kill me if this information is inaccurate; I would be very keen to know if what I have just said is not the case.Regards,

Ok I think just about anything posted here is going to get blown out of proportion because peoples patience is growing thin, if you look at the posts are in question, someone made a comment about if PMDG will create some type of difference in the sound based on how hard one lands. I replied to that as being a good idea and then with the already mentioned Buttkicker I concured with it and explained how it picks up audio and how it would serve a great purpose for those that have it. In doing so I made jokes in my reference to the buttkicker, calling it different name. I didn't create a new post to make jokes, I just chose to do it and was not wrong in doing so one bit!I see how heated these posts can get and personally see no reason for it and normally crack a joke here and there to lighten things up. If someone chooses to read my full post (Or others that do the same, and there are more of them than the complainers - two if I counted correctly) rather than just move on then that is their choice. Personally when I am looking for an update from a moderator/PMDG staff member, I just scroll through the posts without reading and look for their highlighted name. Once I see, then I go back and choose what to or what not to read. None of this matters one bit, and people that think it just clogs up a topic or makes things hard to follow don't make sence to me.IF PMDG didn't want to hear thoughts they would and easily could lock a thread. I think they would rather see positive talk in their forum then the constant same old question of "When, when when when when". When I see that mentioned 10 times in a row I don't get bothered by it in the least, so don't think people should get bothered by it when someone says anything else.If what I said makes me sound like or makes me into a bigot than so be it. I stand by what I said and the reasoning behind any post I ever made. The main point here is no one makes anyone read anothers post, they choose to. Also people that post positive over negative anything (Topic related or not) aren't doing any harm. If it makes you need to scroll your mouse more than that's a small price to pay for something so innocent.I have done nothing that needs further explanation and am done feeding this witch hunt because some people just can't live without it being released now. We all want it to be released and it will be, nothing can be said to make this happen any faster.Edit* Sorry Alexander, we must have been typing at the same time :( I also want it dropped and just felt the need to put things in their rightful perspective.

+1 Could not have put it better myself...

...Obviously a real 737 sim's OS is programmed with the ability to do this. If there was a way we knew of to do this in FS, we would - ACES themselves directly told us before they were closed that precip in the sim is largely just a graphical effect that the sim creates in certain situations, there's nothing available in SimConnect or otherwise that can tell our code where the rain actually is. Thus, you're left with guessing based on the location and types of clouds and stuff like that rather than knowing for sure where precip is. ...

Perhaps PMDG could partner with REX and/or ASA and let the 737 use a modified version of their included weather map(s). Whether you would need one of the two programs would be up to the terms that would be decided.

This is, as far as I'm aware, what CWS is...CWS stands for Control Wheel Steering, and is a way of flying the plane manually without the need to trim. If you fly an Airbus without the autopilot engaged and make a 30 degree bank to the left, then let go of the side-stick, the plane will automatically trim the ailerons to keep 30 degrees of bank, whereas on a Boeing if you make a turn without a CMD mode engaged on the AP and let go, the wings will gradually roll back. However, if you decide to engage the CWS mode, the plane starts to behave like an Airbus would and makes aileron/elevator trim adjustments as you make yoke inputs - the plane is literally controlling your wheel-steering so to speak.I myself have never bothered using it, and I believe the CMD mode trips to CWS if you try to take manual control of the plane while the autopilot is engaged, however I have heard that it isn't massively popular with real-life pilots and isn't part of regular operation (or so I'm made to believe).Don't kill me if this information is inaccurate; I would be very keen to know if what I have just said is not the case.Regards,

Interesting stuff. Thanks for the info. I have done a lot of "googling" on the subject, and what you are telling me jives with what I have read. One guy even said, "in idiot language, it makes your plane fly like an Airbus". Sounds quite useful to me when instead of punching a bunch of commands into the MCP when a quick change is needed in your flight, you can just switch to CWS mode and do it yourself without having to mess with trim (Which for me is always the trickiest part in FSX, as you never are quite sure how far you just messed with the trim by pressing the 3 or 1 Num keys.)Thanks for the info!

You can't compare captainsim to pmdg, it like comparing apples and oranges, two very different markets.

Agree. PMDG is on the 'sorry no WxR' market. ;) Cheers,Stan

Agree. PMDG is on the 'sorry no WxR' market. ;) Cheers,Stan

I own three planes with Wx Radar equip.The CoolSky Super 80 Pro, The Maddog Pro, and the feelthere ERJ v2. None of them have done me any good. The Maddogs Wx Radar I find is best used when I fly it into KPSP for the terrain feature. But as for weather and using it to avoid possible hairy situations, absolutly worthless.

The Maddog's WX and terrain features are actually two completely separate things - the terrain display is not a "radar" in any sense, it has a low resolution global mesh file that it reads out of for that. Our terrain display by the way reads the elevation mesh in real time out of the sim - what you have installed with mesh is exactly what you'll see depicted, it's extremely cool.