October 12, 200916 yr I feel as some here had expressed. When I first used it I was blown away. after while it became a chore. I like the concept but I dont always have 45 minutes to get flying. I can usually program a FMC and be in the air in 15 minutes, maybe thats not how it is done in the real world but frankly I dont always have that kind of time. I would'nt say not to buy it it might be something you will enjoy as you see many do. Maybe the lates releases are a bit more interactive. With everything follow on releases get better and better. Andrew
October 12, 200916 yr I feel as some here had expressed. When I first used it I was blown away. after while it became a chore. I like the concept but I dont always have 45 minutes to get flying. I can usually program a FMC and be in the air in 15 minutes, maybe thats not how it is done in the real world but frankly I dont always have that kind of time. I would'nt say not to buy it it might be something you will enjoy as you see many do. Maybe the lates releases are a bit more interactive. With everything follow on releases get better and better.HiYou don't even need five minutes, let alone 45 minutes! Did you know you can load a saved situation / panel state and resume FS2Crew from there? What I do is have several situations set up like engines running at the gate, everything programmed and set, ready for departure, in cruise, before descent and so on. All those at different situations and airports. I can then just start using FS2Crew straight away without any need for setting things up, even the FMC. I do this to fly departures and approaches I particularily like.With the 767 version you can resume flying from the holding point or any part of cruise, or with the MD-11 version technically from any part of the flight. Same with the latest and upcoming versions. With the ATR and old PMDG 737 it can't be done as they don't allow panel states to be saved.
October 12, 200916 yr I feel as some here had expressed. When I first used it I was blown away. after while it became a chore. I like the concept but I dont always have 45 minutes to get flying. I can usually program a FMC and be in the air in 15 minutes, maybe thats not how it is done in the real world but frankly I dont always have that kind of time. I would'nt say not to buy it it might be something you will enjoy as you see many do. Maybe the lates releases are a bit more interactive. With everything follow on releases get better and better.I'm not sure which FS2Crew you're refering to, but I have the one for PMDG 737 and with a long FMC flight plan that I load by hand, it takes me 12-13 minutes until I'm taxing out to the runway. - Red E8500 @ 4.1 | EVGA 275GTX (overclocked) | 2x2GB Mushkin Enhanced Redline @ 1066 | Samsung 24inch LCD @ 1920x1080 |
October 12, 200916 yr HiI'm thinking to buy FS2Crew.What do You think about that product? Is it worth it.ThanksEdinOne of my biggest wishes for each successive version of MSFS was that of CRM. CRM or Cockpit Resource Management is one of the biggest initiatives of all airlines because many fatal crashes have been due to lack of coordination of the captain and first officer leading to misunderstandings and miscommunication which can lead to catastrophic incidents. CRM is the way in which the cockpit crew members should interact, collaborate, and more effectively work together for the ultimate goal of safety and more efficient operation of the aircraft. Apropos the most unrealistic part of MSFS airliner operation is the requirement to fly your 747, 737, 757 etc alone with no focus on shared operation and procedural changes according to flight regime.FS2Crew tries to bridge this gap within the confines of MSFS by providing a highly realistic virtual cockpit crew member that can handle many of the controls and switches that he / she would in real life. You no longer effectively need to fly alone.The down side is that within the confines of FS, in some circumstances FS2CREW creates even MORE requirements on the lone pilot in requiring prompting your virtual copilot for certain flight regimes whereas the virtual copilot cannot act alone. This is not true in some cases because FS2CREW does automate as much as it can. But this is all done within the confines of FS which, again, made no attempt to implement a coordinated virtual crew.With all that said, FS2CREW adds a level of realism that is a MUST HAVE for all heavy pilots. Is it worth it? It all depends. Do you want to kick the tires and light the fires? Then no it would not be worth it. But if you want to take MSFS heavy cockpit ops to another level, warts and all, then it doesn't get better than this.Think of it this way. Is Radar Contact worth it vs the default ATC? Is a PMDG 747 worth it vs the default MSFS 747? Is the FS Dreamteam KORD worth it vs the default KORD? Is FS2CREW worth it vs having no coordination in the cockpit? With out a doubt, the answer is YES.
October 12, 200916 yr Hi TingooseThe PMDG 737 version was the first ever produced, I can't even remember, maybe more than seven years ago. The user interface has advanced light years ahead since then!I doubt the old 737 will be redone, but the new NGX which is still under PMDG development, will be done using the latest voice commander technology.Out of the ones you mentioned, the MD-11 version is the latest, and most advanced in terms of user interface. The ATR version is probably the most complex (in terms of functionality), and the LDS767 version falls somewhere those two.The MD-11 version comes with three voice sets and the latest FSX default 737 version with nine. I have no doubt that the upcoming versions will include multiple sound sets as well.Comparing FS2Crew and FDC is hard, as they serve slightly different purposes and target groups. FS2Crew is tailor-made for each aircraft, can take advantage of their more advanced features and "read and write" into them. FDC, while a great software as it can be adapted to a broad range of planes, is more suited to checklist reading and functions that are common to default-type aircraft. For example, you can't make FDC press the VNAV button for you on climb-out or operate the custom anti-ice systems, just to give a few examples.There's loads of Youtube videos too that showcase the later FS2Crew versions.Yes I realise that the PMDG version is old and have wondered how the later ones are. I'll check out some youTube vids and maybe look at the PMDG MD11. As I said in my previous post, I'm aware that this product line is well produced and well supported which makes me want to use it and I gave the 737 a good shot, but eventually had to admit that it didn't quite do it for me. But I'll do what you suggest and have a look at later versions such as the MD11 and maybe the F1 ATR. Thanks.
October 12, 200916 yr Author Thanks for reply'sDoes Fs2Crew decreases performance (lower FPS) or ?ThanksEdin
October 20, 200916 yr Commercial Member Thanks for reply'sDoes Fs2Crew decreases performance (lower FPS) or ?ThanksEdinHi Edin,FS2Crew should not decrease your performance.As the developer I read all the responses above with interest.A few things I should point out though:1. Each version of FS2Crew is different from the other. The PMDG 737 version, which is now 5 years old, is very different from the newer stuff, and radically different from the latest Voice Commander stuff. The concept is the same but the implementation is very different.2. Being scripted: Yes, it's scripted, but that's airline flying for you. It's not an interpretive dance! With each version of FS2Crew, we use a real-world pilot who flies the specific plane in question. For example, in the LDS 767 version we worked with Dave Barrington. So what's you're seeing is fairly realistic in the context of the way things are done at this company.Is it 100 percent realistic? Of course not: we're dealing with a computer and it's impossible to model the subtle nuances of inter human communication and interaction through a computer. But it's as good as you're going to get on a computer.3. Pressing a button to advance: Yes, that's how it done. But with the latest versions we're now using voice control through your microphone. That really ups the realism bar in my view.4. FS2Crew only works with select planes: That's true, but it's the only way we get any kind of meaningful detail and interaction, especially with the complex 3rd party planes. The are a lot of co-pilot programs out there, but generally they only work with the default planes, and that's because "connecting" to the high end 3rd party planes that don't conform to the MS SDK's is generally the kind of thing that can only be done on a case-by-case basis. Believe me, it's tedious and not easy. Cheers, B. York FS2Crew Web Site / FS2Crew Facebook Page / FS2Crew Discord
October 24, 200916 yr I use the PMDG 737-800/900 with FS2Crew and it works well. It was a little tedious/confusing at first but once you read the material that comes with it and get the hang of it it's quite nice to have. I use FS2Crew with the PMDG, Radar Contact, and FSPassengers. Screen rates have not been affected by the use of it.Chris Porter
October 24, 200916 yr The main problem I have with it is I need to keep current on the particular aircraft, or I forget how to use it correctly.scott s..
October 24, 200916 yr The main problem I have with it is I need to keep current on the particular aircraft, or I forget how to use it correctly.scott s..I guess you can call that a realism feature...? :( - Red E8500 @ 4.1 | EVGA 275GTX (overclocked) | 2x2GB Mushkin Enhanced Redline @ 1066 | Samsung 24inch LCD @ 1920x1080 |
October 29, 200916 yr Commercial Member I guess you can call that a realism feature...? :(FS2Crew is a procedures simulation basically. It ain't jam the throttle forward and go :( Some people like that style. Some people don't. B. York FS2Crew Web Site / FS2Crew Facebook Page / FS2Crew Discord
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