I've been using PSXT and RealTraffic fora week now and absolutely love it.

My background is I've been simming since Sublogic 1.0, was on the FSX Beta Team, Design Advisory Board for FS11 before ACES was closed, involved in several possible replacement sims, but then was contracted on Dovetail Games' Flight Simulator Flight School and Flight Simulator World and the game design documents I wrote for FSFS and FSW went over to Asobo once Microsoft took back the franchise.  I was also on the beta team for Ultimate Traffic and was involved in ProjectAI in the early days.

PSXT is amazing and love your work.  I tried looking to train PSXT on L00 Rosamond Skypark with PSXT but discovered it only seems to look for ICAO 4 character airport codes.  Is there any chance of opening it up to also train and work with 3 digit airport codes that are used in the USA (and possibly other countries?)

L00 (lima zero zero) is the airport that Doug Masters flew out of in Iron Eagle that doubled as Alta Vista Airfield in the movie.

Hi,

I'm glad you like it. 

Non ICAO airports are not in the RealTraffic data stream... so no, sorry

Don't think it would work because they are probably not unique, same as with the IATA codes.

Nico

Hi Nico,

I had an interesting find today and I took a look at RealTraffic and they simply add a K at the beginning of the USA 3 character airport codes.

So Rosamond (aka L00) is listed in RealTraffic's data system as KL00 (zero zero)

Likewise Edwards Auxiliary North Base is in their system as K9L2, so it appears to be their system wide approach to cover those USA specific non-ICAO airports by faking an ICAO code based on the FAA code.

 

In fact it does appear that this is the naming convention that RealTraffic uses across the board for FAA coded airports. Other examples are L71 = KL71, L94 = KL94 etc etc



Although they seem to have come up with an alternate coding system for 9CK and 4CA by adding 9 to 9CK and 0 to 4CA, but if you have access to their database of how they have coded those then it should be able to code them in to PSXT.

Edited August 15, 20241 yr by Hollywood_TG

21 hours ago, Hollywood_TG said:

.... then it should be able to code them in to PSXT.

Nice idea, but a lot of work. I have other priorities at the moment. Besides, these airports will most likely have poor ads-b coverage....

About what have to be done,  take for instance K9L2

It is not only adding this airport to input\airports_msfs.xml:

    <airport code="K9L2" iata="" lat="34.9908" lon="-117.8632" alt="2299" />

and its name to input\airports_msfs_names.xml:

    <airport ICAO="K9L2" name="Edwards Af Aux North Base Airport" />

If you do that (you can do that at home) PSXT will at least know that you are at K9L2, but it cannot find an airport file for it with the parking positions ....

Therefore I have to generate an airport file for MSFS stock airport 9L2 and rename it to K9L2 (At the moment PSXT genrates airport files for 4 character airport codes only).

All these conversions will be a lot of work.

 

Edited August 16, 20241 yr by kiek

Aren't most of these three character airports small airports that have limited GA only parking? L00 has 6 parking spaces; L71 has 14; L94 has 17; 04CA has 15; 9L2, 9CK - non-existent in LNM. Hardly worth the bother.

On 8/16/2024 at 10:43 PM, somiller said:

Aren't most of these three character airports small airports that have limited GA only parking? L00 has 6 parking spaces; L71 has 14; L94 has 17; 04CA has 15; 9L2, 9CK - non-existent in LNM. Hardly worth the bother.

Unless you regularly fly out of those airfields and want to see live traffic at them.  I'm a real world pilot, I would like to see real world aircraft flying out of my home airport.  Maybe you don't care, but I'm a little astonished at your attitude towards those of us who live and use these airports in real life.

And no it's not a lot of code to add the extra dataset in, I'm also a programmer so know what's involved.  I've been involved with ACES Studio, Dovetail Games and a lot of what you see in MSFS is a result of my game design documents.

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by Hollywood_TG

On 8/16/2024 at 4:17 PM, kiek said:

Nice idea, but a lot of work. I have other priorities at the moment. Besides, these airports will most likely have poor ads-b coverage....

About what have to be done,  take for instance K9L2

It is not only adding this airport to input\airports_msfs.xml:

    <airport code="K9L2" iata="" lat="34.9908" lon="-117.8632" alt="2299" />

and its name to input\airports_msfs_names.xml:

    <airport ICAO="K9L2" name="Edwards Af Aux North Base Airport" />

If you do that (you can do that at home) PSXT will at least know that you are at K9L2, but it cannot find an airport file for it with the parking positions ....

Therefore I have to generate an airport file for MSFS stock airport 9L2 and rename it to K9L2 (At the moment PSXT genrates airport files for 4 character airport codes only).

All these conversions will be a lot of work.

 

Honestly with some new AI programming tools it's simple and fast, I've been working on a backend, cataloguing all ICAO aircraft types, 10,000+ and been working on AI Offline Traffic with every real world aircraft catalogued with type and registration for all countries that data is publicly available for.  I am planning to make the tools open source to benefit all of the sim and real world community.

Heck I'd offer to help with the code if you wanted me to do up the logic.

1 hour ago, Hollywood_TG said:

Unless you regularly fly out of those airfields and want to see live traffic at them.  I'm a real world pilot, I would like to see real world aircraft flying out of my home airport.  

I doubt you will see traffic at these small airports. Maybe good to check in the RT radar screen first if you really see an aircraft land and take-off from these small 3 character airports you mentioned.

 

1 hour ago, Hollywood_TG said:

Honestly with some new AI programming tools it's simple and fast, I've been working on a backend, cataloguing all ICAO aircraft types, 10,000+ and been working on AI Offline Traffic with every real world aircraft catalogued with type and registration for all countries that data is publicly available for.

Thank you, very kind. However, PSXT already contains that data for about 47000 actually flying (and present in RT) aircraft ... 

On 8/19/2024 at 11:05 PM, kiek said:

Thank you, very kind. However, PSXT already contains that data for about 47000 actually flying (and present in RT) aircraft ... 

Oh you have no idea lol and yes i do see aircraft flying out of Rosamond lol, never mind dude I'll make my own software to inject traffic

2 hours ago, Hollywood_TG said:

 I'll make my own software to inject traffic

Good luck, it is always good to have competition.

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by kiek