I looked in the manuals and found the tables related to landing runway length, but do not see anything related to takeoff length.

 

Are there tables in the manuals for takeoff runway length? If so, where?

 

If not does anyone have a link to some tables for minimum runway lengths for the MD-11?

 

Rod Storer

I don't think that information is open to the public. If you want runway analyses, I would suggest TOPCAT.

 

Personally, I wouldn't takeoff on anything smaller than 6000 feet. As they say, one of the worst things during takeoff is runway behind you and not enough in front of you (or something like that).

http://www.topcatsim.com/

 

Al

Of course this will depend on WAT

 

Weight

 

Altitude

 

Temp

 

When light the MD11 is an awesome sight, the other night we only had 5,000KG of cargo onboard fairly short flight FRA-SVO.

 

Takeoff thrust set, 80, GO, Rotate were almost one word. We then touched 7000FPmM in the climb out. Brought a smile to my face I tell you!

When i was flying the dc-10-30, our min runway was 7000ft.

When i was flying the dc-10-30, our min runway was 7000ft.

 

Thanks!

 

After searching the MD11 forum and reading through the few comments on flex temp in the manuals, when taking off from a runway less than 10,000' I will just not use a flex temp. I have an 8,735' runway that I want to take off from.

Al posted a link to topcat, trust me you won't regret purchasing it.

Trust me you can flex of a runway that is 10,000 feet at sea level. You need TOPCAT as has been pointed out

Trust me you can flex of a runway that is 10,000 feet at sea level. You need TOPCAT as has been pointed out

 

I am guessing that you are a RW MD11 pilot, how do you guys know how much you can flex?

That's correct.

 

Within Lufthansa group everypilot that joins the company is issued with a Workpad (laptop) this contains all of our manuals etc. Before each flight we plug this laptop into the company network which checks for the validity of all the documents and updates as is required.

 

On the laptop are several moduals of LIDO Lufthansa Intergrated Dispatch Operation. We have the eRM (Electronic Route Manual) and Lido/Takeoff these two things we use most.

 

The Lido/Takeoff is very much like TOPCAT. We enter into this program information on the runway, weather, weight etc this will then calculate for us the flap setting, v speeds and maximum flex for the selected runway. It is updated on the AIRAC cycle with airport and obstruction information.. Within the briefing package we also get NOTAMS that affect this program to tell us if there are any temp obstructions at an airport and if these will affect the calculations, if they do we manually enter them into the program.

 

The who process only takes a few seconds but is something that we do in a set manner and is checked by both pilots - as I'm sure you can appreciate getting the wrong information loaded can have serious results.

 

Anyway,

 

I hope that helps you understand..

That's correct.

 

Within Lufthansa group everypilot that joins the company is issued with a Workpad (laptop) this contains all of our manuals etc. Before each flight we plug this laptop into the company network which checks for the validity of all the documents and updates as is required.

 

On the laptop are several moduals of LIDO Lufthansa Intergrated Dispatch Operation. We have the eRM (Electronic Route Manual) and Lido/Takeoff these two things we use most.

 

The Lido/Takeoff is very much like TOPCAT. We enter into this program information on the runway, weather, weight etc this will then calculate for us the flap setting, v speeds and maximum flex for the selected runway. It is updated on the AIRAC cycle with airport and obstruction information.. Within the briefing package we also get NOTAMS that affect this program to tell us if there are any temp obstructions at an airport and if these will affect the calculations, if they do we manually enter them into the program.

 

The who process only takes a few seconds but is something that we do in a set manner and is checked by both pilots - as I'm sure you can appreciate getting the wrong information loaded can have serious results.

 

Anyway,

 

I hope that helps you understand..

 

Interesting, you guys seem way ahead of other companies having both this and RAAS. I fly quite often as a passenger and I always show my interest in the flight deck. I asked the same question to SAS and they get the information from a piece of paper. No laptop or anything "fancy". Anyway I also googled LIDO and there actually was quite a lot info on the Lufthansa homepage. Interesting stuff.

 

Anyway, thank you for the reply.

Manfred

No problem,

 

Part of the reason Lufthansa is so far ahead is that we have our sister company Lufthansa Systems, and Lufthansa FlightNav. So we of course get all the toys from them as well as sell them to other airlines.

 

I think SAS use their datalink (ACARS) to the takeoff and landing data.

 

But on most of the aircraft within the Lufthansa group we operate a paperless flightdeck. The A380 aircraft have a class III EFB, the rest are using class II. A joint venture between Lufthansa Systems and Goodrich.

 

The aircraft has two touchscreen display units mounted either side of the flightdeck, and at the back of the flightdeck are two laptop docking stations where the crew member places his / her laptop this then powers the EFB, there is of course the function for crosstalk between the two units and the imput of GPS data etc from the aircraft.

 

More or less we only have paper QRH and normal checklist now..

 

In the event of EFB failure we can order a paper navkit, or from any PC/Laptop with internet access we have the FIV Flight Information Viewer, and can access our worldwide libary of fleet specific charts

 

Dennis

Al posted a link to topcat, trust me you won't regret purchasing it.

++1. Cannot do without it now. With the AivlaSoft EFB, IMHO, this must be one of those 'must-have' add-ons.

 

That's correct.

Based at Frankfurt I take it, Dennis, by your profile name? I for one am glad that you guys are still going to retain the freighter version as I loathe flying 'fictionals'

Yes we have 18 MD11F then nex year we will get the first of 5 777F

Yes we have 18 MD11F then nex year we will get the first of 5 777F

Will you personally be converted to the T7-F? Reason I ask is because reading your posts above as a current MD-11F 'jock' you have given us so much insight into take-off lengths, etc, etc. A goldmine of info in fact.