I guess every system has it's anomalies so it's no wonder that some folks are having problems and some are not or some who prefer the performance of one aircraft over another. I have both the Ifly and the PMDG 737. I do like both but the PMDG, to me, is a much more complicated and accurate aircraft to master and therefore more fun for me to fly. Also I love the VC cockpit both during the day and at night. The textures are outstanding and the night lighting is really something. Any problems I had with either aircraft were, my system oriented. So it took me awhile to setup my system to fit the performance I was looking for. For me even though I have a really good system and it runs great it's all about some trade offs during setup. So if I can buy an aircraft that gives me some challenges, looks and performs as accurate as possible, and enhances my flying experience is the one for me. That's why I prefer the PMDG NGX 737. As for the support I can't really say as both aircraft have worked great on my system so far. I will say that the user support I have received on this forum has been over the top. Quick and accurate help from folks who love our hobby that has kept me flying and having fun. Anyway, just one persons opinion. CaptMacdonmcdaniel

It's always the same people on these threads, either defending PMDG / iFly or complaining.This is a long post...let's take it one section at a time.

1) How's the landing attitude of the PMDG modelled?2) Are the lower Vrefs of the SFP modelled?3) Why do people lose fps when going around?4) Why does the FMC lose all data when doing touch & goes?5) How are manually entered waypoint handled?6) What about RTA?7) Is there a maintenance mode in the FMC?8) Why is the mousebug even more prominent than on the iFly?9) Why do VOR course lines cause another fps drop?10) Why, if the thing is so detailed, are electrical loads on the APU modelled the wrong way and why are the dependencies of e. g. the galley/util bus wrong?11) Why doesn't a change of carbon brakes or the left out airstair lead to another weight of the plane?12) Why can one freeze the FMC when flying an offset route?

Yep, all valid issues, do these all operate flawlessly on the iFly? Are they even on the iFly? (not even going to mention that horrid Arriane plane)

1) Why did the issues tracking thread get deleted?2) Why does it take more than one well explained attempt to convince PMDG about some necessary changes or, at least, comment on some issues?3) Why do they throw stones at you in the first place (together with the fans), instead of listening?4) Why do they call people asking questions and referring to the given manual values 'wannabes' when they still have a valid point?5) Why would other devs be concerned about freezes, CTDs and activation problems, while you can only read 'it's only a small percentage' over at PMDG?6) Why is there no refund policy when the thing is available since the 4th of August and people are still having activation issues in September?7) Why did they have to stress the rock solid testing and even had threads with 'we don't envision many problems after product launch' (now deleted, I guess) while giving that sort of freeze, CTD, activation and e. g. FDE flaw show?8) Why are their fans so upset about a competitor with a nice forum mood, a fast support (in those forums), no self-proclaimed mods and a fair refund policy?9) Why could we all read this ignoble iFly bashing from PMDG itself just after their release?

Some of these are valid. I was also annoyed to see the issues thread vanish, it was useful and stopped multiple posts occuring.As for why it takes more than one person...well one persons opinion (no matter how reasoned) is subjective, what you consider to be required changes, i may consider completely trivial...this VC issue noted above for example.The PMDG forum can be frustrating, people do try to help, but when somebody (such as your good self) comes along with very little regard for the product and starts comparing it unfavorable to other products i guess people may get a little defensive. I would say that 9 times out of 10 for no good reason. You bring up the number of people complaining about issues many times, but looking at the forums, how do you know what percentage of people are having issues? If PMDG sold 100 planes and 10 people state they have crashes, that's 10% of sales, if iFly sold 50 planes and only 5 people report issues, well on the forum it looks like less people are complaining but it's still 10% of total sales, are less people complaining on the iFly forums? Has that mouse cursor VC issue being solved for everybody? Could you please point me to the magical piece of software were the forums are just full of happy customers no issues at all? Now Beta testing, the plane works faultlessly on my system, does that mean that it will on everybodies, of course not. But had PMDG given the plane to me for testing, i would have also told them everything was OK; what should they do Mr. P, release it to the entire community, it worked for DCS and the A-10, oh wait, people are still reporting issues with that! Now i am no ######, i see that some of what you write is spot on, the people are quite defensive, the forums (avsim in general) aren't all that friendly these days; the refund policy is very wrong, frankly i believe it's unacceptable, though a partial defense, they do make it clear caveat emptor. I would also like to know the status of Sp1 for the J41, and hopefully an improved cockpit for the MD11. But weighing up on balance the PMDG is the better simulated aircraft, is it worth the cost difference to the iFly, i would say yes, but that would be for the individual to work out. ...and to finish off in true 4chan style. inb4l Thanks

The only problem with the PMDG board are the self appointed moderators. There is one poster, who has racked up over 700 posts in 2 weeks, most of the posts are crap like SIGN YOUR NAME OMG the world might end, just frustrating especially when new members are flamed for asking the simple questions.Other than that, i do like the A/C very much

Funny how some people KEEP complaining about PMDG's attitude and other things but STILL continue to buy their products...Maybe so they can complain some MORE...Very funny.

Funny how some people KEEP complaining about PMDG's attitude and other things but STILL continue to buy their products...Maybe so they can complain some MORE...Very funny.

I think that people buy pmdg because they like the planes not becasue they are necessarily in love with the developers.

Yeah... Countless boring and useless complaints before buying... And the same after buying. Wow.

There is a small issue between the upper and lower EICAS display. In a real aircraft, the lower is a bit (approx 1cm) lower than PMDG modelled in the NGX. Absolutely no biggie... In fact, I wonder why anyone would even care.

Personally I dont really care either, but it does put into question the whole "we used Boeing blueprints" line. Did they really use Boeing blueprints? Really? There are other inaccuracies as well, the eyebrow windows were a bit misplaced, at least in some of the beta screenshots they posted before release. Perhaps they fixed them for the gold release (I havent looked at it, as I said earlier I dont really care)

Personally I dont really care either, but it does put into question the whole "we used Boeing blueprints" line. Did they really use Boeing blueprints? Really? There are other inaccuracies as well, the eyebrow windows were a bit misplaced, at least in some of the beta screenshots they posted before release. Perhaps they fixed them for the gold release (I havent looked at it, as I said earlier I dont really care)

There are two things I can say about alleged dimensional imperfections.1. It's said often before; a virtual 3D model showed through a 2D screen, will always cause visual distortions. There's nothing developers can do about that.2. I worked as an airline engineer for 6 years on Boeing aircraft and have become very familiar with the Boeing technical drawings. I don't know how well software developers like PMDG are with "reading" the Boeing drawings, but I can say they are quite complex, especially to the untrained eye. For a single aircraft type, literally thousands of drawings exist and an area like the cockpit can easily be spread over dozens of drawings. It is than not difficult to miss a detail in the dimensions. So concluding, Yes I do believe PMDG did in fact use the original Boeing drawings, but I would fully understand if they missed some small things, simply because it's so difficult and complex.

The mouse-over FPS bug is not more prominent with the PMDG than the ifly, at least not on my system. With the ifly I go 20fps locked>12fps. With PMDG i go 18fps>15 fps on heavy airport.Either way I didn't expect the PMDG to also have this mouse-over issue in the first place. Has there been any new info regarding the issue? Will it be fixed?

Unlock your frame rate it is known to significantly reduce the frame rate if your PC isn't powerful enough to maintain the rate you have selected.

I have just the iFly product and trying to avoid buying the PMDG or Ariane Boeings. I just might head that way if I cannot resolve an issue that caused my landing gear and gauges to disappear after adding repaints to my 737-800 and 900. If I can get this corrected, I might be able to fully use the iFly 737s.

I have just the iFly product and trying to avoid buying the PMDG or Ariane Boeings. I just might head that way if I cannot resolve an issue that caused my landing gear and gauges to disappear after adding repaints to my 737-800 and 900. If I can get this corrected, I might be able to fully use the iFly 737s.

If I may ask, why are you try to avoid buying the pmdg ? I think you are missing out.Lots.

Personally I dont really care either, but it does put into question the whole "we used Boeing blueprints" line. Did they really use Boeing blueprints? Really? There are other inaccuracies as well, the eyebrow windows were a bit misplaced, at least in some of the beta screenshots they posted before release. Perhaps they fixed them for the gold release (I havent looked at it, as I said earlier I dont really care)

Seriously? Yep, all one big conspiracy theory (shaking head and smacking self on forehead)

If I can get this corrected, I might be able to fully use the iFly 737s.

Keith, did you post that over at their support forums?That's the place to start when having such issues and if they can't help you, you might think about a refund. That's what the fair policy is for.It sounds like some installation problem, but that's just guesswork of mine. So I'd recommend asking/posting over at iFly's.

Keith, did you post that over at their support forums?That's the place to start when having such issues and if they can't help you, you might think about a refund. That's what the fair policy is for.It sounds like some installation problem, but that's just guesswork of mine. So I'd recommend asking/posting over at iFly's.

If I may ask, why are you try to avoid buying the pmdg ? I think you are missing out.Lots.

I have yet to seek resolution on the iFly support forum. Initial installation was fine, but when I started adding some of their livery packages everything went crazy, similar to my Qualitywings 757s. I will see what the developers say. If things don't work out I will be going for one of the other 737s. I am avoiding the additional purchase because I buy almost everything that gets released, but fly almost nothing...