I gave run into somewhat of a dilemma here. The problem being, that I would like to have a A320, but there seems to be something wrong with practically all available options.Wilco: most people say the system simulation simply is not good enough. The question here is: I don't have to have everythin g simulated; will I miss, or really notice the things that are wrong? I have their volume 2 Airbus pack, and while people say things are wrong, I would have no idea if that's really true... I simply don't know what's so bad because I don't know how it should fly.Airsimmer (ASA320): people complain abouit CTDs and other bugs, plus key FMGC pages not being available.PSS: people usually say it doesn't simulate FBW at all.What I want is the following:- moderate to high complexity system simulation. It doesn't have to have everything simulated, but I want to be able to do a full start from cold and dark to flying condtions and to shutdown.- I want to be able to save my panel state. This is a must!- I want the model to look somewhat good. This is rather subjective, but when I say "good" I'm thinking of at least LDS767 quality.As I see it, Only the ASA320 Advanced edition or the Wilco A320 (deluxe) comply to all these points. The ASA320 advanced has not been released yet though and nobody knows when it will be released. So, the question is as follows: should I wait for the ASA320 advanced edition, or should I simply go ahead and get the Wilco A320?

i would wait for the ASA320 advanced.

What's the best A320 simulation to get?

This question is hard to answer since at present there is no decent one, which you may know well as an AVSIM reviewer. As far as I remember from other posts, do correct me if I'm wrong, you are not too much into deep system and procedures simulation. And that will make things easier here.Considering the three available (unless you call Overland or freeware mixes an A320 simulation too), I'd say go for the FeelThere one. After all the patches it flies properly and lets you make a full flight wthout serious trouble. Of course I'm speaking here for myself, not trying to be the community spokesman. AirSimmer is a bag of bugs (something like alpha candidate) at the moment - I had it for a while and that is my solid impression. Buying it now is pointless unless you like risk and frustration. Looks great but works bad. And it's not a Look Simulator after all. Maybe if it is ready one day, it may be recommended (not even mentioning the totally missed marketing/pricing policy). Now I discourage you from going for it.FeelThere does simulate most systems and I find no serious bugs in it. Of course it is not LH Maddog, DA Fokker or a PMDG or LEVLD bird but, hey, we made an assumption here in the beginning.PSS is still very fine but it is a really old product. The level of system simlation is similar to what FeelThere offers, but it's older and the visuals are much worse of course. You can make some merges (with the very nice Project Airbus models for example), but that is an additional task. And there is no support for it as a legacy product (and the developing company does not exist anymore). Plus you're a VC flyer, so it's not for you (the PSS A32X virtual cockpit is not up to standards and is not fully functional).So if you desperately feel like making some bus flights in the sim, you can follow my advice (or not).If you're not so keen, you can wait for something better. But nobody knows how long it may really take.Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas fans have much easier lives in the Microsoft Flight SImulator. :(

I completely agree with RAFAL on this. I have the Wilco volume 1 Airbus series and it is not without its faults. However, I have just completed a flight from Dubai to Sochi and it was a thoroughly enjoyable experiance. The manual that goes with package is excellent reading and will certainly get you on the right track. For what it is worth a good friend who flies A320's for BMI quite often sits in with me and he is suitably impressed. Ultimately, I will definately buy the advanced version of Airsimmer (when it is available) but in the meantime I am using the Wilco version to teach me ropes. Tristan

Heh, two different opinions, just like I expected :( Josh: could you expand a little on your opinion? Why should I wait for the Airsimmer?Rafal: Nice to hear from you again! It really depends on the mood I'm in, whether I'm deep into system simulation or not. Sometimes I do want to have all the procedures and work through all the checklists, but sometimes I feel like a simple, smooth ride from point A to B. I would term myself as somewhere between casual and hardcore, but certainly not one of these two. I really enjoy flying planes like the Qualitywings 757, but I also really like the PMDG 747. I just have to be in the right mood. Regarding Airbus aircraft I'm more lenient, since my primary interest has always been Boeing. Therefore I don't mind if the Airbus addon plane doesn't do a full system simulation. As I said, though: what I do want is the ability to go from cold and dark to full operation, utilizing checklists. I do not want to have to press ctrl-E.From what I read in your post, the Wilco really doesn't sound that bad. What I'm afraid of with the Airsimmer advanced, is that it will turn out to be far too complex for me (oh yes, and I'm not sure when ti will be released, which doesn't help...). The PMDG 747 is something I can handle, primarily because I've already dealt with other Boeing aircraft. I have already done some flying with the LDS767, for example, so all is relatively familiar. The main problem with the Airsimmer basic is, besides all the complaints about it being buggy, that it doesn't save the panel state, while the Wilco does. This means I can do longer flights.Rafal, thanks for your insightful post! I initially opted to wait for the Airsimmer, but the recent Avsim review through me off (because it blatantly said the wilco is better...). your opinion is contributing to an ever growing feeling if wanting to buy the Wilco.Tristan: only saw your post after I posted my own, but I'm sort of glad to see you are agreeing with Rafal. Could you perhaps give a short rundown of some the Wilco Airbus's faults? While I generally don't care too much (or I do not want to care to much), I like to know what is wrong.

I always liked the PSS A320.

HiOld story about good Airbus :( I wrote about Wilco and all I get was negative points on Feelthere forum.This aircraft only looks like Airbus, and main thing is not simulated correctly.FMS does not work as it should. This is the main fault of Wilco Airbus. You can't use managed mode (correctly) and pseudo waypoint recalculation does not work. PSS is much better regarding FMS and system simulation.But in other hand, Wilco has FBW and PSS does not.I will skip Wilco .Wait for decent Airbus. You must know that PSS was made almost 10 years ago and for that time it was the best. Edin

HiOld story about good Airbus :( I wrote about Wilco and all I get was negative points on Feelthere forum.This aircraft only looks like Airbus, and main thing is not simulated correctly.FMS does not work as it should. This is the main fault of Wilco Airbus. You can't use managed mode (correctly) and pseudo waypoint recalculation does not work. PSS is much better regarding FMS and system simulation.But in other hand, Wilco has FBW and PSS does not.I will skip Wilco .Wait for decent Airbus. You must know that PSS was made almost 10 years ago and for that time it was the best. Edin

Feelthere (Wilco) is the only decent working Airbus out at this time. Airsimmer's version is no where near ready for prime time at this point...

PSS is a no-go for me. Its outdated visuals and the fact FBW is not simulated to the least make me not want it at all. What makes Airbus different is the FBW. If that's not simulated, you might as well fly Boeing, it seems to me.I think it is clear what I should get: Wilco. At the moment my trust in AirSimmer is ziltch. First I want to see them release their plane before going on about how great it is.

PSS is a no-go for me. Its outdated visuals and the fact FBW is not simulated to the least make me not want it at all. What makes Airbus different is the FBW. If that's not simulated, you might as well fly Boeing, it seems to me.I think it is clear what I should get: Wilco. At the moment my trust in AirSimmer is ziltch. First I want to see them release their plane before going on about how great it is.

HiI think You will be disappointed , but your decision.I'm only saying that FMS and Autopilot are disaster.Just search in Feelthere unofficial forum any You will see.For all question regarding FMS and autoflight, answer is "Use rule of tumb for descent"A/C is OK for offline flying when You choose your SID and STAR at the beginning of flight. But, if you for any reason change FPL, pseudowaypoint TOD TOC are not recalculated. Vertical constraint are not followed etc etc. And don't use manage mode, you will have unrealistic descent and climb rates.Just for info, You will fly Airbus manually only in approach phase last few minutes, so FMS is more important then FBW (my opinion).I tried to helpEdin

Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas fans have much easier lives in the Microsoft Flight Simulator

Oh yes!Also in real life! Those are "pilot" airplanes, not "systems manager" airplanes :( Nothing flies nor will ever fly like the good ol' MadDog.MDC said it good with their neon sign on their LGB facilities: FLY DC JETS.As for the topic per s

Also in real life! Those are "pilot" airplanes, not "systems manager" airplanes :(

My twice FAA examiner was a United captain before she retired. She flew just about everything in the United fleet from 727 to 757, 767 & 747. She retired as a 744 captain. In her own words the 727 was her favorite plane because she'd be actually flying the plane. When she moved to the later Boeing models she felt like she was more "managing" than "flying". So being a system manager is not a sentiment unique to Airbus pilots.

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Tristan: only saw your post after I posted my own, but I'm sort of glad to see you are agreeing with Rafal. Could you perhaps give a short rundown of some the Wilco Airbus's faults? While I generally don't care too much (or I do not want to care to much), I like to know what is wrong. I was anticipating your request, so I made one or two notes whilst on my last flight. 1.When starting from a

Why do you say that ?