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Entry of Winds Aloft into MD-11 MCDU

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I can only find three places in the MCDU where winds may be entered - F-PLAN INIT 1/3, CLIMB FORECAST and DESCENT FORECAST. I have tried various formats on ACT F-PLAN 2/2 such as 268/50, +/50, /+50 but I receive the message NOT ALLOWED at the bottom of the screen. Whatever is entered on the F-PLAN INIT page remains in the wind area for each waypoint. What I am trying to do is enter maybe 5 HDW ot TLW speeds at 5 different waypoints thru out the flight plan to account for step climbs and distance of legs. For an example I will use a flight from EDDF to KLAX. I can print a report from Active Sky X that will show me the wind direction and speed for each waypoint of the route with the exception of those in SIDS or STARS which would be accounted for in the climb and descent forecast. This report also shows an average wind direction and speed for the entire flight plan. I can calculate a HDW or TLW using this with the track of the flight. The only problem with using an average is the average is not weighted for the length of the legs between waypoints. To get out of or into Europre, the North Sea, and accross the top of Great Britain requires an incredible number of waypoints. Then you cross the Atlantic and Canada with very few waypoints with great distances between them, Europe with all of its waypoints will unduly influence the averages. The route needs to be broken into maybe 5 or 6 parts of two hours each and those speeds entered into the MCDU. Plus the steps climbs from FL300 to FL380 need to be accounted for in the averages. Right now I can see no way of doing this in the MCDU. Maybe you can't get there from here. Does anyone have any ideas on this issue?Thank youMichael Cubine

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Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, when you're on ACT F-PLAN 2/2, click on the right LSK next to the waypoint you want to enter winds on. That will bring you to the VERT REV page of the waypoint you've selected and there you can enter the winds.

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I will give it a try and see what happens. I will let you know how it turns out tommorow night. Thanks.Michael Cubine

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You know what i'd like to see, is for PMDG or any addon plane with a complex FMC that allows the manual entry of winds for each waypoint, to somehow communicate with Active Sky Advanced and populate the winds aloft (for each enroute waypoint) itself.I always input the expected winds/temps into the FMC flightplan from ASA, but it sure is tedious to do manually, especially long hauls with pages of waypoints.In real life a properly equipped a/c will just get the feed electronically by ACARS or satellite uplink........imagine having that capability in FSX!

A.J. Domingo

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Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, when you're on ACT F-PLAN 2/2, click on the right LSK next to the waypoint you want to enter winds on. That will bring you to the VERT REV page of the waypoint you've selected and there you can enter the winds.
Mike RothI just completed a 11.5 hour flight from EDDF to KLAX. I used the above information in your reply. ETA on takeoff was 2044 GMT and I landed at KLAX at 2046 GMT. When entering HDW or TLW on the F-PLAN INIT page I would miss the original ETA by as much as 45 minutes. Thank you very much for the help.Michael Cubine

Michael Cubine
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In real life a properly equipped a/c will just get the feed electronically by ACARS or satellite uplink........imagine having that capability in FSX!
FedEx or KLM might have this these days. But the airlines I know didn't so the pilots had to enter them manually indeed even though they had ACARS.Cheers,Markus

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On January 4, 2011 I wrote:Mike RothI just completed a 11.5 hour flight from EDDF to KLAX. I used the above information in your reply. ETA on takeoff was 2044 GMT and I landed at KLAX at 2046 GMT. When entering HDW or TLW on the F-PLAN INIT page I would miss the original ETA by as much as 45 minutes. Thank you very much for the help.Michael Cubine ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________It must have been just luck that the ETA and touchdown were within two minutes. I have not been close since then. Some of the difference has to do with the winds being forecasts. The other difference is the entry of winds into the MCDU. I understand what Mike Roth wrote. What is happening now is that when I enter the alt/dir/spd for a waypoint it is going both forward and backward in the flight plan. All the previous entries I have made for prior waypoints are being replaced by the entry for the current waypoint I made on the VERT REV at XXXXX 2/2 page. I can understand the entry going forward in the plan but not backward. These plans have 25-40 waypoints so I have to load an additional 5000# of fuel for the time it takes for the entries. I just eventually give up and takeoff saying the enroute time is 11.5 to 12 hours. Anyone have an idea as to what the issue might be?Thank youMichael Cubine

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I believe this issue is now resolved. Primarily it involved concentrating and paying attention to what I was doing and highliting the info I need from the report breifing. For each waypoint the report showed wind direction, speed and temp for 3000, 6000, 9000, 12000, 18000, 24000, 30000, 34000, 39000, 44000, and 49000 feet ASL. The flight I am doing right now has 44 waypoints. So that is over a thousand different numbers. I needed to highlite the 132 numbers I needed and remember what altitude I was making the entry for. The process was really confusing.Michael Cubine

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